Boxers and Dogue de Bordeaux

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HAHAHAHA WOW, thats REALLY WIERD, yea idk I think it might acctually work!

[cantexduck]

 I would like to think that it would be very hard to find a boxer that would fit the bill. Kind of like labs, hard to find a good blood line that hasnt had the hunt bred out of them.

[Gangly]

If I go from what I was told, my male catchdog is AB/Boxer.  He hasn't been on a whole heck of a lot of hogs, but the ones he has been on get shut down, all while looking gooooooooooood    j/k  I do think he is a handsome fellow though, the mix turned out well

[Gangly]

Boxers were originally bred as a bulldog/great dane mix.  They are extremely agile, very fast, and have a ridiculously high prey drive.  Boxers are used to hunt rabbits in other countries, so that should tell you about their agility and speed.   They aren't as thick boned as most catchdogs, and so they might would get beat up a little bit more in a tight jam, but they should be able to easily adapt to being a catchdog.  I have no real complaints about my mix.

[duece24]

speed wise i think the boxer would be great, but i question the jaw power. they have been bred for looks for so long that people really never checked to see what type of biting strength their line of dogs had.

french mastiff don't see it happening. i believe they will over heat in a new york minute. plus i don't think they have the speed people would need to make sure the hog is caught when they are released.

they are both cool looking dogs as they are two of my favorite breeds purely on looks, but functionality of hunting they are both an F for me.

[Gangly]

I think jaw strength is a relative term.  I'm gonna start a huge argument here, but I dont think a catchdawg needs a ton of crushing strength, just holding strength.  As an example, a chihuahua has little to no crushing strength but he can hang off your pants legs for an hour.  For another example, look at body builders: they can lift enormous amounts of weight, but they have very little endurance.  If I had to get a hard days work done, I would chose a medium built person over a heavily built muscular person beacuse after the first few minutes, the body builder wont be able to keep up. 

Also, catching and holding is the main goal of a catch dog, not catching and crushing.  I really don't care how hard the dog bites down, as long as he holds true with the catch and doesnt let go.  With all the sharp teeth in a dogs mouth, it takes very little crushing pressure, relatively speaking, to grab an ear and hold it stationary between the jaws of a dog.  If it wanted to, most any canine could latch onto a pigs ear and hold on for the long haul, but different working venues over the past thousand years have selected dogs to do certain tasks, and a dogs genetics will tell them what do to, whether they are capable of doing something else or not.  Therefore, the jaw structure of the boxer should be more than adequate to bite an ear and hold it.  The real question is, will he be willing to ride out the roller coaster that ensues without getting scared and letting go.

[southernhoghunter]

gangly i beg to differ but this is only my opinion i breed my catch dogs for extreme jaw pressure i want to play heck breaking my dogs ensuring me that they will be there when the extreme going gets tuff and the hog is doing a windmill effect slinging my dog like a ragdoll...but like i said thats just my opinion and style of hunting everyone has their own

[duece24]

i disagree as well gangly. jaw strength and crushing power pretty much go hand in hand. do you think an ankle biter will be able to hang on to the ear of a hog while it is slinging it? a boxer might have some jaw strength but it needs to be able to bite and keep that hold. if you don't have some serious crushing power you will not be able to STAY on that ear. people take for granted that pit bulls ALL have great biting abilities. this very very far from the truth. i had one dog that had one of the softest mouths i've ever seen. just because the boxer LOOKS like they have jaw strength doesn't mean that they do.

depending on the work you are asking me to do depends on whether i have a medium built guy or body builder. if we are throwing bailes of hay in a barn give me the body builder. little do people really know body builders don't just do massive amounts of weight. they acutally do medium weight with really high reps. that is how they get so cut up..muscular endurance.

[L3Outdoors]

I have owned my last Pit. from now on I will be using Boxers. The Boxer has more Bullenbeiser blood in it than the American bulldog or the Pit. The Bullenbeiser is the fearless dog that all these dogs where breed from to make them fearless warriors they are today.
http://dogbreeds.bulldoginformation.com//boxer-dog.html

[L3Outdoors]

Logan what happened to waiting five years before you looked at getting a dog?

[kevin]

Duece, don't you think your example could go both ways.   If a pit looks like it can bite hard doesn't mean it does.  How about just because a dog doesn't have the look to bite hard doesn't mean that it can't.  I'm a firm believer that many dogs bite hard because they want to.   My uncle used to have an english.  That hound would jump the fence into the pen when I was working pups and lock down hard enough that you could not get her off until she was choked out completely.  She didn't weigh maybe 45 pounds.

[Circle C]

I'm a firm believer that many dogs bite hard because they want to.

Ditto!

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Logan what happened to waiting five years before you looked at getting a dog?

jw but dnt u think this is a little outrageous?

[duece24]

you make a good point. one of the hardest biting dogs i've personally ever seen didn't wasn't a big bull headed dog, but she broke bones and caused all kinds of damage. so yes there is some validity to you point. i also agree that a dog bites hard because it wants to, but also the ability to bite hard has to be there as well. i coach high school football and i have many kids that WANT to run a 4.3. they can WANT to run a 4.3 all they want but they don't possess the ability to. in my honest opinion as a breed(not individual dogs)the boxer doesn't have the bite that we would be looking for in a catchdog or running catch dog.

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r they big enough?

[aladatrot]

Mike and I had heck breaking my little needle nosed grey hound off a pig. We had to choke her off. REALLY surprised everyone on the hunt given the long spindly little narrow snout on her.

Cheers
M

[Gangly]

I'm a firm believer that many dogs bite hard because they want to.

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Exactly.

Just because a dog has strong jaws, doesnt make it a good catch dog.  

When I mention crunching power vs holding power, im not referring to a lopsa-opsa vs a mastiff, I'm referring to jaw size, ie pit vs mastiff.  A mastiff can bite harder than a pit, but like I mentioned earlier, I could care less about how hard a dog can bite, its the length of time that he can hold on with his bite.  With all things being equal, I prefer a strong bite, but I dont need a bite that can break legs with one crunch.    Some people on this board have posted pictures of their HUGE dogs, and you know that they arent gonna be able to hang on more than a minute or two before having to let go because they are wore out, and then what do they have?>?>?>?>?> a wore out bulldog thats regripping.

Southern Hog Hunter:
A dog you have to play heck with to break off does not necesarily mean he has extreme crunching power, it just means he isnt letting go until you absolutely make him.  I prefer having to break the catch dog off as well, it means he has a solid bite and tons or drive, not that he can break bones.

Duece24:
 Jaw strength is very important, I would be foolish to say otherwise, but what im trying to say is that most dogs have the biting power neccesary, its the drive and desire to hold on that most dogs lack.  Take a patterdale or a jagd, both tiny dogs with little biting power, but they can hang on with the best of them.  You may be right, the boxer might not be able to be a CD or an RCD, but I think we just differ in our opinions and I can respect that.  i respect your opinion and I can see some validity in your points, I just feel different on the subject so I guess we can just agree to disagree. No hard feelings at all though, you have far more experiance than I do and I am here to learn.

L3:
 Nice sarcasm.  You have such nice dogs, it would be a shame to trade them in, but I would be the first in line to take them off your hands   .  Again, I am not saying that the boxer would excell at catching, but I am saying that if needed to, he most likely could catch.  I wouldnt go with a full blooded boxer as a catch dog unless I knew he was already proven given that there are far superior breeds out there for that work (ie your dogos, others AB's, and Pits).  But if I needed to infuse some athleticism into a bloodline for some odd reason, the boxer would have plenty to hand out.  I was just making the point that the boxer does have some of the pre-dispositioned genetics for it, the athletic ability, and his jaws are most likely more than adequate to hold onto a hog. Though he may not do it well, he could prolly still do it.

Kevin:
Exactly, good comparison

Larger working breed boxers get to be pretty large

From Wikipedia:
Developed in Germany, the Boxer is a breed of stocky, medium-sized, short-haired dog.  Boxers are brachycephalic (they have broad, short skulls), and have a square muzzle, mandibular prognathism (an underbite), very strong jaws and a powerful bite ideal for hanging on to large prey.

History
For more details on this topic, see Bullenbeisser.
The Boxer is part of the Molosser dog group, developed in Germany in the late 1800s from the now extinct Bullenbeisser, a dog of Mastiff descent, and Bulldogs brought in from England. The Bullenbeisser had been working as a hunting dog for centuries, employed in the pursuit of bear, wild boar, and deer. Its task was to seize the prey and hold it until the hunters arrived. In later years, faster dogs were favored and a smaller Bullenbeisser was bred in Brabant, in northern Belgium. It is generally accepted that the Brabanter Bullenbeisser was a direct ancestor of today's Boxer.[13]

  Also, we all understand that written abilities of a breed as opposed to the actual abilities of the breed, so please understand that I know the difference in the two, this was just to show that the genetics is there.  Whether or not is is prevalant in todays boxer, who knows, but the backbone is there.

Again, this is not to argue, I respect all of yall's opinions and there have been many good points.  I was originally just trying to say that the boxer could prolly do catch a hog if need be.

Good Hunting everybody!

[ppc dogos]

The bordeaux is a cripple, they can not walk a around without loosing air. Terrible unhealhty breed. Here they never get more than 6 years old.

[Gangly]

Mike and I had heck breaking my little needle nosed grey hound off a pig. We had to choke her off. REALLY surprised everyone on the hunt given the long spindly little narrow snout on her.

Cheers
M

Exactly.  Most canines have the strength to bite with enough force to hold on to what ever they are biting, but its just the drive that tells them whether or not to hold on for the long haul.