Interpretation.

[KevinN]

KevinN...some very good hog dogs with plenty of bottom get outran because the briars and palmettos are so thick they can't catch up to stop or catch the hog...the dogs just run until they over heat and have to give it up...but these dogs can make the race short if the woods is open and they will catch/stop the hog pretty quick...I am talking about gritty strike dogs with lots of bottom...

I gotcha Reuben. Didn't think about the over heating part...knew I was missing something. Man....with dogs that just have that endless bottom...you probably have to be REAL careful once temps hit 80 or above.

[RyanTBH]

I dont know were people get short range dogs will quit a hog in short order ??  Just because a dog has a short hunting range does not mean he aint got big bottom to finish I have seen many a dogs like this .  Hell we have struck bad hogs 100 yds out and ran the thing for miles before we ever got him . 

I agree... I've seen some good short range dogs hunt Jimmy. It's just not my kind of dog, nor what I am looking for. I don't think that all of em will leave a hog or track at there limit, but I don't want a short range dog that does leave a hog or track at 1000+ yards though. I want whatever dog it is that is on the ground hunting to stay with anything they see until it sits or outruns them. JMO though.

Not trying to be argumentative...but what's the difference between a dog quiting a track at 1000 yards or getting outrun? When a hog leaves the dogs in his dust he's still leaving a track...scent. Quiting is quiting. No matter the circumstances.

IMO, when the hog leaves the dogs, yes there is scent... But if the hog is far enough away how long is it going to take for the dogs to catch up, and not find other scent to lead to a different hog that maybe miles away. Or what the scent is left on (terrain), or how strong it is whether it's a rank boar or a shoat...  Or what if the hog just outlasts the dogs and they can't keep up. What if they run across a road and loose the scent...? There are plenty of scenarios that I don't know of because I am not out there running with the dogs, but it happens. We as dog hunters just have to make the best guess that we can. I just know my dogs will normally follow said hog until the end of their ability to; whether it be a mile or 4 before they either get it stopped or loose it. I know i've seen Blake's Zig dog go for hours on end chasing running hogs and he had to get on a wheeler to stop him before he killed himself from overheating and dying. The dog came up after he got him picked up and fell over he was so tired and to me thats bottom. I guess you could look at it like quitting it, but after a mile - 4 mile chase, and already putting down 20+ miles I'm happy. I do not want them "quitting" said track after only 1000-1500 yards, especially if they've seen the hog, I want to give their best shot at finishing it no matter the cost. Hope that clears it up some. And no harm done cause that's a good question and like I said, it's JMO.

[RyanTBH]

Who said short range means they quit a track.   Range is hunting distance, bottom is finishing!   Jimmy said hunt short to him was out to 1000 yds  that is long to many.   I consider my dogs short to medium they tend to make circles from 300--900 hunting.   But also have lots of bottom.  Meaning they finish track, or stay hooked up.

you are spot in there... I didn't say that short range dogs would quit a track... I read on here that some like their dogs to come off hogs/tracks after 1000-1500 yards if they haven't got it stopped yet. You could look at that as training I guess, or less bottom. I just don't prefer my dogs to quit after that far is all. Like you said, I wants dogs to finish, or damn near die trying.

[TexasHogDogs]

Really all that matters is what the guy wants that owns them.  The only person that has to be happy with there dogs are the owner.   Some like them long with big bottom some like they short with big bottom , some like them in between , some even like their dogs to come back after so long on the run .

Its all understandable because everyones situations are different .  The land they hunt , the hogs they have on the land so on and so fouth  .   To me I could give a damn how everybody hunts and what kind of dogs they like are got to just say the truth I don't have to hunt with them thats not saying they are not great dogs am sure a lot are its just saying get after it your way   .  Same goes for me there is a lot of people that would not like the way my dogs hunt are maybe even the way I myself like to hunt.  Its no big deal were the big deal comes in is when people want to say unless you got big range big bottom your dogs are chit , and when somebody says them big range dogs pass up hogs like stripes on a freeway ,  are you guys need to sell your garmin collars and use cowbells for tracking systems LOL ahahah I thought it was funny myself , are when if you walk hunt  you ain't hunting your winding the hog for your dogs  .  Come on man everybody knows they gonna stir up a big ole pot of of chit before they even say those things LOL !

I say who cares,    if your dogs find hogs then you doing what needs to be done Long , med , short , ruff, loose , big bottom no bottom who cares whats the big deal unless you ain't satisfied with your on dogs .  Am satisfied with mine and don't give a damn what the next person thinks about mine we find hogs our way and the way we like not your way thats all that matters folks does yours satisfied you if so the hell with everybody else !

[YELLOWBLACKMASK]

Guess I dont understand the short breaking distance call offs or quitting a track.  Is the problem that folks are having to hunt 30 acre plots......or their dogs loose the track soon after they loose sight of the hog?  Or their dogs won't take tracks and work through them?  

My initial response.....sure training some hogs to run with sets of dogs that quit early or are called out almost immediately.  

Range is lil different animal and truly think its mostly preference.  But again my preference is not to have to do the dogs job for them.  Think the question was asked earlier about short range dogs will eventually cover the same tracks as long range dogs..........Yep sure will.......As soon as you walk then all the way there so they can do it.

I like cheetos.....the big puffy kind. And I dont like dogs that like cheetos.....my cheetos....the ones I keep close by me in the woods.   Morale of the story.......stay far away hunting puppy.....from the cheetos.  

[Reuben]

Myles, I like cheetos too...the dense, crunchy, and flavorful "original Cheeto"... 

and my pups to look like this one...and bob tailed about that length...the bob tail is the secret to having lots of bottom/heart or just plain ole stick...my dogs get a cheeto every now and then...   

[KevinN]

Haha! Mine too Reuben (literally and metaphorically)

[ked]

I didn't read all the replies...4 pages man...but your scenario makes a complicated choice.

For the dogman, choice one is not an option. When quitter is put in the defining of a dog so is a .22 bullet.

Yet, for the family feeding, freezer filling, farmer friendly hunter, how can you pick the lower % of hogs caught?

Would dog 1 really stack more hogs up than dog 2? Why are easy hogs left behind? I've never witnessed that scenerio so hard for me to wrap my brain around it...unless you have a dog that prefers the boars. Been there done that.

[bob]

havent been around to many other peoples dogs , mine hunt short to medium and will stay with one for miles most of the time , I wouldnt call them cold nosed thow , I like the way they hunt , they check in and move back out as we hunt , did hunt with a plott of craigs for a couple of years , cold nose , long range , you could hunt with this dog and follow it a mile behind it for hours , turn the CDS loose and when you got there she was already gone going after another one , this could go on all day and never see her, bay after bay, by the end it was catch that dog I want to go home , we hunted huge places and always got off of it with her ,I heard several people say it was the best they ever seen , so I was truely blessed to have been able to hunt behind this dog as a rookie, craig sold her because it was to much dog for our spots or just about anyones spots , this was the only long range dog Ive seen and by that experiance I would say for me the long range dog is to much for were we hunt , R.I.P. ANNIE

[YELLOWBLACKMASK]

Would dog 1 really stack more hogs up than dog 2? Why are easy hogs left behind? I've never witnessed that scenerio so hard for me to wrap my brain around it...unless you have a dog that prefers the boars. Been there done that.

[TexasTransplant]

I agree... I've seen some good short range dogs hunt Jimmy. It's just not my kind of dog, nor what I am looking for. I don't think that all of em will leave a hog or track at there limit, but I don't want a short range dog that does leave a hog or track at 1000+ yards though. I want whatever dog it is that is on the ground hunting to stay with anything they see until it sits or outruns them. JMO though.
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Ryan

This is how most of my dogs are, stays within 200 or so yards until hits whatever turns them on, then they go, they go 500+ plan on catching something, unless they go 1.5+, they usually come back.  I like them like that, they run we just move down the trail and strike another.  Most of the places I hunt have pretty good populations so it works well, however taking one of my dogs to a different area, they may not work.  In short, should you run into any of these type, let me know

[YELLOWBLACKMASK]

Would dog 1 really stack more hogs up than dog 2? Why are easy hogs left behind? I've never witnessed that scenerio so hard for me to wrap my brain around it...unless you have a dog that prefers the boars. Been there done that.

Dang phone messing up again.

Well I can only attest to the scenario I have witnessed alot around here.
It typically happens with sounders. When a sounder breaks the dog lines a sole hog out and does one of two things.....stays with it until closing ...which around here could be 6 hrs and 17 miles later .....or quits the hot track and circles back eventually finding squatted shoats or remains of the busted sounder that has reformed.  I.E.......the easier targets.
That is the way the quitter ups its % ratio of caughts hogs vs the closer.

Now which dog would you prefer at the end of the day? 

I say hands down the closer.  Not even a hard choice for me.

You know what your gonna get with him regardless of timeframe. And you also decrease the amount of runners and lower the % of training new runners with that type. 

As long as somebody with dogs doesn't come into the area and dog the remaining sounder with the low bottomed types and ultimately train new runners.   Your closer dog will eventually mop em all up. 

Hell.....or it may just be the cheetos talking. 

[RyanTBH]

I most definitely will do Denton. And yeah, Jimmy, I'm right with you on that one buddy. I love my dogs, they work for me, and I wouldn't have it any other way. I also do like hunting with other people's good dogs too though. I love seeing good dog work no matter the range. Long as they get the job done its always a good experience for me and my dogs. I like running my dogs in different areas to get them diverse with different types of terrains and ways of hunting; ie: wheelers, roadin', good hunting... It's cool to see what they are capable of when you try to test them. Anyways, good hunting to all!

[Hamilton_hogger]

Short range all the wayI can't fathom running miles after a hog of course we don't have to run any where cause our dogs know the meaning of keep. AT bay

[BA-IV]

Short range all the wayI can't fathom running miles after a hog of course we don't have to run any where cause our dogs know the meaning of keep. AT bay

That's got Alot to do with the places and pressure on the hogs then the actual dogs themselves.

[cantexduck]

Short range all the wayI can't fathom running miles after a hog of course we don't have to run any where cause our dogs know the meaning of keep. AT bay

 I use to think the same until you hunt a place with very little hog s and the ones left run like hell. 


   A lot of kennel blindness in this thread.

[KevinN]

Short range all the wayI can't fathom running miles after a hog of course we don't have to run any where cause our dogs know the meaning of keep. AT bay

 I use to think the same until you hunt a place with very little hog s and the ones left run like hell. 


   A lot of kennel blindness in this thread.

I don't know that you could call range and bottom preferences kennel blindness. At least I wouldn't. Then again...maybe I don't have a correct understanding of the term. I thought kennel blindness was more along the lines of your dogs not performing for you but you not seeing/believing that a change needs to be made. If your catching hogs on the places your hunting at a rate thats acceptable to you then no need to change anything. JMO

[t.wilbanks]

One thing I could never get my head around is how a dog can bust its butt working a track to find a hog, and then quit it after a short run...  Whats the point of all that work if the dog won't even make the effort to stay with the hog??