jagd terrier

[jhy]

That is rather confusing Reuben. We hunt hard, cull hard and breed the best to the best to try and produce the best dogs for ourselves. How is that not trying to make a better dog as opposed to them being born? Kind of the same thing or am I missing something? ( I am well aware that it doesn't guarantee that all the pups if any will be super stars, but keeping a few out of a litter to make sure that what you are doing is working then selling them according to age and ability seems only logical)

[justincorbell]

8 months old and already started in obedience and has seen a hog. You get what you pay for and the funny thing is folks usually have to spend much more time and money to get a decent dog rather than just fork out the money to pay for something that has had a lot if time, money and planning poured into it to produce a better quality pup/ prospect. Not saying you can't get just as good dogs for cheaper, but the odds are not in your favor. JMO

here is the thing for me...a star is born and not made...if this 8 month old pup is on track to be a great one and he is bred right and looks right and socialized properly I would gladly pay the money...

I would have to agree BUT I see where most are coming from saying that they wouldn't spend that much on a young dog, here is what you have to keep in mind, the fella "jhy" who just posted about that pup is buddies with the man with the dog and has been around it obviously due to his posts so he knows for sure that the dog is what his buddy says it is, we however do not. make sense? pretty much I am saying that if I had been in "jhy"s shoes around the pup growing up and been a witness to him progressing then I wouldn't mind at all spending 900$ IF he was the right dog for ME.........with that said, I don't know the dog or the trainer so I would be much more cautious, can't be too safe now days with people getting screwed over on dogs left and right.

There isn't a doubt in my mind that if I would have posted "snuff" on here at 8mths old for 1000$ that I could have got it, it probly would have been easy honestly, all I woulda had to do was post an accurate description of the dog and bring him to the woods with a potential buyer and let "snuff" do the rest. I can say this with 100% confidence and honesty, I would have payed 1000$ for snuff at 8mths old if I had been in the position to buy and not sell, I regret sellin that little devil to this day but family comes first and I was made an offer that at the time I could not refuse, such is life.

[Reuben]

That is rather confusing Reuben. We hunt hard, cull hard and breed the best to the best to try and produce the best dogs for ourselves. How is that not trying to make a better dog as opposed to them being born? Kind of the same thing or am I missing something? ( I am well aware that it doesn't guarantee that all the pups if any will be super stars, but keeping a few out of a litter to make sure that what you are doing is working then selling them according to age and ability seems only logical)

Joey...I agree that culling hard and lots of hunting makes a well bred pup that inhereted the right traits...be on track to make a great dog...if I am paying 900 dollars for an 8 month old pup I will have to see greatness for his age... because I will never pay 900 dollars for a pup on just genetics alone unless he was the only pup or dog left from a line of dogs that I wanted to preserve...good or great dogs can be found in a high percentage out of the right line of dogs but it is not 100 percent...
I wouldn't pay 900 dollars for a good dog...I would for a very good dog or even the right pup that is performing in an outstanding way...

[MrsLouisianaHogDog]

I have to agree that you can have dogs bred out the ying yang....but that most definately is NO guarantee that the offspring themselves will always come out just as amazing if not better than the parents. That's what we all HOPE for though. The pedigree will tell you what a dog SHOULD be....but inevitably the individual dog will tell you what he or she actually IS.

[jhy]

I do not disagree with you fellas at all and I should have been clear in saying that this particular breeding had to be done by AI because a boar hog had cut the males pecker and the scar tissue was making it difficult for him to reproduce and  he is a dang fine dog that comes out of FCI registered dogs that have also been ZP tested, which is a versatility test.  I am by no means saying that the papers or pedigree make a better hog dog or hunting dog , but they are within the standard of the breed, which several of these jagds that are floating around these days are way out of standard.  

No sooner than I posted on this thread 2 folks contacted my buddy to buy the female, but he decided to place the dog where he can get back to her down the road.  He wasnt trying make a buck, but place the dog in a good working home because he doesnt have time to fool with her right now.  Also, he has a Serbian Import that he is really enjoying making a bird dog/ hog dog/ blood trail dog out of in the little time he has available to fool with a dog.

[justincorbell]

I do not disagree with you fellas at all and I should have been clear in saying that this particular breeding had to be done by AI because a boar hog had cut the males pecker and the scar tissue was making it difficult for him to reproduce and  he is a dang fine dog that comes out of FCI registered dogs that have also been ZP tested, which is a versatility test.  I am by no means saying that the papers or pedigree make a better hog dog or hunting dog , but they are within the standard of the breed, which several of these jagds that are floating around these days are way out of standard.  

No sooner than I posted on this thread 2 folks contacted my buddy to buy the female, but he decided to place the dog where he can get back to her down the road.  He wasnt trying make a buck, but place the dog in a good working home because he doesnt have time to fool with her right now.  Also, he has a Serbian Import that he is really enjoying making a bird dog/ hog dog/ blood trail dog out of in the little time he has available to fool with a dog.

I plan on making one of the next set of pups I purchase a bird dog, it would be pretty cool in my opinion to have a little terrier as my birddog.

[Lacy man]

8 months old and already started in obedience and has seen a hog. You get what you pay for and the funny thing is folks usually have to spend much more time and money to get a decent dog rather than just fork out the money to pay for something that has had a lot if time, money and planning poured into it to produce a better quality pup/ prospect. Not saying you can't get just as good dogs for cheaper, but the odds are not in your favor. JMO

I have 2 free dogs that are going great. And I don't mind paying but just cause the dog has seen a hog and has some obedience doesn't boost it to $900. If it was a dog like Justin's snuff he mentioned. I d do it in a heart beat. But from talkin to Justin,  he had them hunting pretty regular from 5 or 6 months old and would definitely say they had more woods time then 1 hog (probably in a pen) those jagds were Findin their own hogs. I could see 900 for a dog like that.


the funny thing is folks usually have to spend much more time and money to get a decent dog rather than just fork out the money to pay for something that has had a lot if time, money and planning poured into it to produce a better quality pup/ prospect.

For the post you made there, personally I d rather have the pup, and train it, work it, put time and effort behind the dog then When it made a dog it would mean more and be more self satisfying. I do have dogs that I got at 1.5 and 11 months. That are doing good and wouldn't trade em for anything, but there's something to say when you see your pup you raised since 4-6 weeks old get to be 6 months and burns out 400 yards and makes a bay and choppin away.. That's JMO

[jhy]

Lacy,

That is why I raise my own dogs, but I was speaking in general as to someone getting into a new breed or just getting started.  If I got wiped out today, I would gladly go spend whatever it took to get what I consider a dog, because I do not have the time I used to have to train and get a dog going good in a few months or season.

I agree with you on the satisfaction of training a pup, heck who wouldnt, but if you want to get down to facts and monetarily speaking buying a proven prospect is much cheaper and less risky than raising a dog from a pup.  Plain and simple in my opinion, not saying that is what I do, but it is what it is.  Of course you have to know where to get the "Great Prospects" and that is the hardest part.

If I was given a puppy out of great stock or for 500.00 be able to buy a dog that is out of the same stock that is already on the right track a person would be a fool to gamble on that puppy if they were in need of a dog. 

Joey

[jhy]

By the way obedience is a great foundation for training any dog in any venue and it does add value and speak for the ability of the dog to a degree.

Joey

[Lacy man]

By the way obedience is a great foundation for training any dog in any venue and it does add value and speak for the ability of the dog to a degree.

Joey

I agree with you, Mis understood some of the language I guess... But I see where your coming from now. And yes the obedience definitely helps, nice to have a handle on your dogs

[jhy]

10-4, trying to type on these phones makes it difficult to convey the message that you want too.

[Bawl Mouth]

People can say what they want, but I have had several "culls" that prove that most dogs will work. Doesn't matter what u think u have if you can't hunt them in good country with ample game. Everybody knows and talks about Jesse Paul, but what they don't know is me and several other guys that hunt the same CPU try he does and catch the same quality and number of hogs. And several of the dogs I started with were somebody's rejects

[Bawl Mouth]

*country, not CPU. Stupid autocorrect

[Mike]

People can say what they want, but I have had several "culls" that prove that most dogs will work. Doesn't matter what u think u have if you can't hunt them in good country with ample game. Everybody knows and talks about Jesse Paul, but what they don't know is me and several other guys that hunt the same CPU try he does and catch the same quality and number of hogs. And several of the dogs I started with were somebody's rejects

I go out and hunt with Jesse every two or three months... culls don't cut it in the mountains around Vanderpool. That country will show you what your dogs are made of real quick.

Share your photo spread of those big toothy mountain hogs you've caught?

[Bawl Mouth]

Can't upload em from my phone, and that was not a jab at Jesse, making a point about dogs. Ask Thomas and Krystal Rohan if I catch any hogs. And I am well aware of what it takes to hunt that country, I'm a rancher in Uvalde and medina counties and hunt some of the same ranches as him, have my whole life, tend to stay very low key, but commented here to make a point about how I feel about dog abilities.
Like I said, used Jesse as an example as I see people here act like nobody else around this part of he world catches the same hogs
Colt Davis
Sabinal, tx

[Mike]

I'm making a point also... not any old "cull" can cut in that country. It will show you what your dogs are made of real quick.

I guess I'm misunderstanding what you're saying?

[Bawl Mouth]

Yessir, misunderstood what I was saying. Not "any old cull", but, I feel like 99% of people tryin to get themselves some hog dogs worry WAY to much about what they hear or read about dogs, vs goin seein what dogs do. Perfect example....... Got some pups from my line that are likely gonna be good dogs. Went to show them a hog for the first time the other day and my wife brought her mutt Australian Shepard cross out just so he could get off the chain. He had never seems hog, and bayed harder than ANY of my first string dogs do. Could have easily sold him for a lot of money to someone had that been a trial. And I have certainly taken out dogs that didn't come from a known bloodline and caught hogs with em. Just used Jesse as an example because of how I see people talk on here that have no idea who he is or what he is doing. He damn sure is a good hog hunter. Won't ever catch me say any different. But there are some of us that catch Jair as many, just as big, and we don't use the same dogs

[Bawl Mouth]

Also don't take a picture of every good hog I catch. In fact hardly ever do, but do have some good ones around. Hunt alone a lot and they are not as cool to show just a dead hog

[Bawl Mouth]

[jhy]

I hunt junk too Bawl Mouth, but I don't mind feedin them and that's all that matters. Sometimes I catch a hog when I get lucky.

That country you and Jesse hunt looks like it would be too hard on most dogs physically?