I don't wanna add to the cull pile!

[Myles Man]

I'm not to sure  on definition/opinion of "cull" from most of y'all.  I'm pretty sure it will all fall under the "if it works for you", "if you like it", and "it don't matter what other people think" category.....that's all good, I understand how people can cull one and it turn out for another a great dog.
 I can define my view of a cull BUT I would like to hear from some of y'all experienced producers.
What is a cull specifically to you all who have produced litters of dogs?

The reason for me askin? I have a big AB (half scott/half johnson, not too bully)male that ain't really too good for a "hard knock life" workin CD. He is almost 7 yrs, 105 lbs on a slim day, almost died from a heat stroke that put me back $600 to keep him alive(dang lawn mower on summer day), and he ain't really been the same since. Does this make him a "cull" stud so to speak? From what I can see in his pedigree, it's good old type Johnson. We like his character/nature. He's a good boy, BUT on the huntin side of things, he's useless. 
If I bred him to a small, wind for days type gyp, will that be a waste of time? More pups added to the cull world?

Ok, I'm done, kinda

[justincorbell]

Me personally, I would more than likely cull.........with out a doubt I wouldn't breed him.....can't get the caliber of dogs you want if you are breeding great to sup par in my opinion. I think you already know the answer to your question. Why not start over now and find you a good solid stud dog that can handle the heat and breed it to a gyp of the same caliber instead of setting yourself back 1-2 years farther by breeding then waiting on pups then culling down on pups hoping that a couple will turn out the way you want..........probly end up cheaper in the long run. Hope this helps.

I am more than likely going to cull a cd pup I have at the house now, he is twice the size of his littermate and I have him with her and one other pup, the other 2 are fireballs and will scrap from time to time and are constantly grabbing each other on the ears while playing, he will tuck tail and head for the hills at the slightest sign of a squabble even a playful one, he wont stand up for himself at all and is overall pretty much a coward .....it sucks because he is the biggest and best built of the 3 and happens to be my old lady's favorite pup but I just truely don't think he has it . look at the dog overall and decide if his goods outweigh his bads and make your decision based off of that. good luck to you!

[Corey]

You leave me with a few ??  When did you start HUNTING this dog, what age?  How do you hunt him, most bull type dogs are not bred down to hunt the way we think of hunting bred dogs. They are catch type dogs that work with the hunting type dogs.  What is your objective in breeding hin to something.....ie, do you want catch dogs, running catch dogs, strike/bay dog, pets?  Nobody can simply say "that'll work" or "don't bother". With breed type and him being "BRED WELL" your chances of getting catch dogs or running catch dogs, depending on the type of gyp you use are pretty good, will every pup rise up, not likely more like just a couple. Is it worth the effort??? Again what is your objective. Maybe its quicket and more cost effective to find someone that has already put the time into a type/style that your after, get you a couple and roll on.

[Myles Man]

Good and fair questions!
I got him as a pet at 6 weeks, he's the family dog. He don't hunt, I've tried, but he slows me down!!, waayyy down!!! I just got into hogs a year ago and have learned good CD traits since then. My double whammy-my wife wants a pup out of him, full blood AB. So, I would only keep a pup out of him if I could hunt it...we both benefit that way. That's why I'm thinking about is he a stud or is he a dud!! My guts sayin start over with proven working genetics....after all the hard work others have put into breeding, I'd like to be a part of that kinda proven success.

[UNDERDOG]

Good and fair questions!
 My guts sayin start over with proven working genetics....after all the hard work others have put into breeding, I'd like to be a part of that kinda proven success.

There is your answer...

[Corey]

Good and fair questions!
I got him as a pet at 6 weeks, he's the family dog. He don't hunt, I've tried, but he slows me down!!, waayyy down!!! I just got into hogs a year ago and have learned good CD traits since then. My double whammy-my wife wants a pup out of him, full blood AB. So, I would only keep a pup out of him if I could hunt it...we both benefit that way. That's why I'm thinking about is he a stud or is he a dud!! My guts sayin start over with proven working genetics....after all the hard work others have put into breeding, I'd like to be a part of that kinda proven success.

That a no brainer, NOT A CULL, dog served you family well for 6 years in his designated task. Find you a good  tested gyp, get the girl a pup....raise this one to be dual purpose.

Something to think about....I don't hnow the lawn mower story but it sounds like he was chasing or fighting it to near heat exaustion......not good, your right......but he's probaly not going to quit on you to save himself......those traits are genetic.  Has he ever had any conditioning since you've decided he need to prove himself off of the couch.

I am not trying to be rude.....just seeing things differently

[UNDERDOG]

Another thing to think about is not too many with a GOOD AB gyp will let you breed to a half johnson dog either.

[Hogsnatchers]

Hit up American Legendz kennels. He should have some pups on the way and should do what you are looking for. I wouldn't say he's a cull but I personally would not breed him.

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[Myles Man]

Ok, now I see, I'm not using the word cull properly, I feel kinda dumb for that. N e way-I'm sayin he's a real good watchdog, he don't leave the yard, he does his job at protecting the house. He's been good to us as a pet, so when I say cull it don't mean get rid of him-even tho I'm learning as of now that's what cull means(awkward), hes gonna stay with us till the end of his days....I'm sayin he ain't no CD,,,sorry if I confused anybody on his part as a huntin dog vs pet.

So if I did get a pup out of him, I'd lean to the side of him as a guard dog, not necessarily a CD?

[JRyanS]

So if I did get a pup out of him, I'd lean to the side of him as a guard dog, not necessarily a CD?

You never know, he/she (pup) may go ape sh!t crazy when they see a hog.

[Myles Man]

I can tell u, he's already crazy to get latched on hogs. He has no fear at all to catch and Hold like a natural. I just want to learn more on good/bad traits that he will pass down. It's a hard hard call, prob 50/50. It's boiling down to time/effort resulting in 2 yrs or so either a good CD or guard dog, maybe both. But I don't want to see the heavy breathing etc  on a good pup after a year. If so, I guess it would be the replacement pup my wife would like to get out of him, for the long haul.

[Shotgun wg]

Here's my thought on the matter. At his age the majority of catch dogs are dead or toothless. Most catch dogs spend their life from 6 months till they die running fighting and conditioning themselves for what they do. If I read it right this dog hung out in the yard all his life until recently and suffers from a case of heat exhaustion. If u have ever worked outside to the point of heat exhaustion u know that after that it doesn't take as much to get hot. What u could handle the day before it happens has no bearing on the day after. This dog also I am sure is not in a well worked physical shape which could have contributed to the problem. U say he is hog crazy and hits ear so that part is what u want. His good nature and easy going is what u want. Is he himself a cull catch dog today yes but I feel the reason that is so is because of factors beyond the dogs control prior to hunting. Is it possible this dog could produce a good CD? Yes. Is it possible that all or half of the pups will be good catch dogs? Doubt it but that doesn't mean they won't fit what most of the general public is looking for. If I was u and new the dog I could decide if I thought he woulda made a CD if he was started in time to properly be conditioned by time he was needed to catch. If u do this be sure the gyp owner knows ur dog and what type of dog he is so the pups will be labeled what they most likely are. Yard dogs.

[Myles Man]

Good way to look at it, thanks a lot y'all , very helpful info.

[Scott]

My opinion...don't breed him. Only breed proven working dog to proven working dog. If you were breeding for pet only...please make sure that between you and whoever owns the gyp that homes are lined up for the pups before you breed. Caveat: homes with bull breed experience that you are sure will definitely take a pup when it's ready. Because most that say they want one, will back out for any of a number of reasons when the litter is ready to go to new homes. You can always find well bred pet quality pups/dogs off working breedings if your only desire is to have a pet.

[Irondog87]

Like was said earlier. He has done the job that was given to him. Protecting you and your family. The stamina training should have started long before the 2-3 year marker at the most. I got lucky with my CD, he was nothing but a house dog and I told my cousin when he gave him to me that I was going to put him through boot camp for 6 weeks and if he shows me heart he can stay. Turns out he has more heart then any CD I've hunted with. Everyone that has hunted behind him always has positive things to say about his stamina and how he listens to commands like he speaks English. Once in a life time dog that aims to please rather it cost him his life or not. I walk hunt ALOT so training his lungs was not as hard as if I were riding him around. But as far as a 107# dog not getting winded after running for a while... Now that would be something to see lol. U said he already catches good so IMO no he's not a breeding cull in the catching aspect. Stamina, yeh because he over the hill already in that category. I have no doubt that you could get the magnitude of dog u want out of him, but that pup is only going to be as good as the time and effort that you put in his training. On that note... There is ALWAYS a possibility that it will still be a cull, some of the best lines out there still have culls. Mother Nature never said she was gunna play fair.

[Myles Man]

Real good input! Good info from all y'all. Thanks