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« Reply #20 on: April 08, 2013, 10:29:22 am »

Here is another conundrum.... Finds their own hogs....? That phrase in itself needs to be defined here. Are you walking, driving or dropping your dogs within 100 or even 200 yards of said hogs? To me that is not a dog finding their own hogs. That's a dog being fed hogs and darn near any dog that will bay a hog can do this.

I got in this debate in another thread but I guess I see things different than a lot of hunters out there....

So to answer your question I will not breed a dog that cannot TRULY find THEIR own hogs...
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No need to define that term....it's basic and there is nothing really there to debate.

Walk hunting, roading, hood hunting, casting....it doesn't matter "finds their own hogs" means the same in every instance.

I think your more referring to the range of a dog and that reflects on hunting style.

Disagree.... Say joe blow takes his dogs to the woods. He walks said dogs around a couple hours til they stumble on or jump a pig... Now, did the dog find the pig?? Heck no. Human took the dog to the pig.

Yes range is in play here but I have personally hunted with a few people that think said scenario was in fact a dog finding a hog. To me thats no different than walking your dog to a pen with a hog in it.

Just my opinion but I wouldn't breed a dog that's chillin at my feet all day until a pig runs out in front of him/her whether you want to call that "finds their own hog" or not.

Your using walk hunting as an example...you don't even walk hunt!?

I struck out yesterday walk hunting, my pup did run some deer though. last time I hunted we cast on hogs we spotted and caught 1..hogs broke after the initial catch and go yonder dog rolls out but my pup and another near same age had to be "persuaded" to leave and ended up finding and catching 1 at 750....go yonder dog tracked and bayed the group a mile away which we ended up catching 3 out of. Time before we were roading...while waiting on a go yonder dog to come back my young dog ranged out about 250 and struck...caught that one.  Time before that walk hunting and same pup and another pup of same age hit a track (after about 3/4 mile of walking) lit out...first bark at 750 bayed solid at .86 caught hog.

Roading, casting, walk hunting...my trashy hard headed pup ain't the best but found his own on three different styles of hunting. Finding hogs is finding hogs...no matter the circumstances.
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« Reply #21 on: April 08, 2013, 10:37:45 am »

Here is another conundrum.... Finds their own hogs....? That phrase in itself needs to be defined here. Are you walking, driving or dropping your dogs within 100 or even 200 yards of said hogs? To me that is not a dog finding their own hogs. That's a dog being fed hogs and darn near any dog that will bay a hog can do this.

I got in this debate in another thread but I guess I see things different than a lot of hunters out there....

So to answer your question I will not breed a dog that cannot TRULY find THEIR own hogs...

No need to define that term....it's basic and there is nothing really there to debate.

Walk hunting, roading, hood hunting, casting....it doesn't matter "finds their own hogs" means the same in every instance.

I think your more referring to the range of a dog and that reflects on hunting style.

Disagree.... Say joe blow takes his dogs to the woods. He walks said dogs around a couple hours til they stumble on or jump a pig... Now, did the dog find the pig?? Heck no. Human took the dog to the pig.

Yes range is in play here but I have personally hunted with a few people that think said scenario was in fact a dog finding a hog. To me thats no different than walking your dog to a pen with a hog in it.

Just my opinion but I wouldn't breed a dog that's chillin at my feet all day until a pig runs out in front of him/her whether you want to call that "finds their own hog" or not.
I totally agree if you have to walk a dog threw the woods to find a hog in my opinion that's a cull I've had them and I'm guilty of this but not anymore I leave the hunting for the dogs .

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« Reply #22 on: April 08, 2013, 10:42:52 am »

Here is another conundrum.... Finds their own hogs....? That phrase in itself needs to be defined here. Are you walking, driving or dropping your dogs within 100 or even 200 yards of said hogs? To me that is not a dog finding their own hogs. That's a dog being fed hogs and darn near any dog that will bay a hog can do this.

I got in this debate in another thread but I guess I see things different than a lot of hunters out there....

So to answer your question I will not breed a dog that cannot TRULY find THEIR own hogs...
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No need to define that term....it's basic and there is nothing really there to debate.

Walk hunting, roading, hood hunting, casting....it doesn't matter "finds their own hogs" means the same in every instance.

I think your more referring to the range of a dog and that reflects on hunting style.

Disagree.... Say joe blow takes his dogs to the woods. He walks said dogs around a couple hours til they stumble on or jump a pig... Now, did the dog find the pig?? Heck no. Human took the dog to the pig.

Yes range is in play here but I have personally hunted with a few people that think said scenario was in fact a dog finding a hog. To me thats no different than walking your dog to a pen with a hog in it.

Just my opinion but I wouldn't breed a dog that's chillin at my feet all day until a pig runs out in front of him/her whether you want to call that "finds their own hog" or not.
I totally agree if you have to walk a dog threw the woods to find a hog in my opinion that's a cull I've had them and I'm guilty of this but not anymore I leave the hunting for the dogs .

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« Reply #23 on: April 08, 2013, 10:47:41 am »

Here is another conundrum.... Finds their own hogs....? That phrase in itself needs to be defined here. Are you walking, driving or dropping your dogs within 100 or even 200 yards of said hogs? To me that is not a dog finding their own hogs. That's a dog being fed hogs and darn near any dog that will bay a hog can do this.

I got in this debate in another thread but I guess I see things different than a lot of hunters out there....

So to answer your question I will not breed a dog that cannot TRULY find THEIR own hogs...

My guess is u run long range dogs. I do not. I road mine. I expect them to wind and if we cross a track I expect them to go with it. If I stop they should hunt the area out to around 300 yards. I know in some places a man can see that far but if it is pine thickets u can't. On farms I hunt this range will cover 90% of the fields.

I wouldn't call it long range. I hunt a lot by boat. I drop a dog or two and I want them to cover at least a 800 to 1000 yard radius before we load up and head on down the waterway. Does this always happen? No, but that is ideal for me because I'm lazy and aint walking unless their bayed... lol
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« Reply #24 on: April 08, 2013, 11:58:01 am »

Kevin, i know since i obide by the law the majority of the time, i hunt corp land on foot, that would be walk hunting for some. Only other other choices are on horse back or taking a chance n using a wheeler in a no access area. I used to walk hunt n wanted my dogs close to me, which im paying the price now bc a lota places iv hunted lately, its by wheeler. My old style is a kick in the junk on my new style.
If everytime the walk hunter goes out and both hunter n dogs find the hogs at the same time, then yes, bad for the dog/s, but if the dogs are out 50-200yds corcling and they find a hog or its track n run it n at the end, wam, hog/s. be it 50yds or 1000yds if the hunter dont hav to walk up the hogs n throw the dogs into the pack, then the dogs are finding their own hogs. Diff strokes for diff folks.

Winding from a boat aint no diff than road windin, except the vehicle n type of road used. U cant giv an example of 1 style of hunting, that that person deems best style for his application and try n compare to a completely diff style n then say the other style of huntin dogs are culls. Only in ur eyes for ur paticular style of hunting, would the dog be a cull. Dadgum, its compairing orages to grapefruits, similar in family, but completely diff fruits.
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« Reply #25 on: April 08, 2013, 12:02:55 pm »

Here is another conundrum.... Finds their own hogs....? That phrase in itself needs to be defined here. Are you walking, driving or dropping your dogs within 100 or even 200 yards of said hogs? To me that is not a dog finding their own hogs. That's a dog being fed hogs and darn near any dog that will bay a hog can do this.

I got in this debate in another thread but I guess I see things different than a lot of hunters out there....

So to answer your question I will not breed a dog that cannot TRULY find THEIR own hogs...

I think we hunt allot a like Chad!  We actually need to do it again! 

My guess is u run long range dogs. I do not. I road mine. I expect them to wind and if we cross a track I expect them to go with it. If I stop they should hunt the area out to around 300 yards. I know in some places a man can see that far but if it is pine thickets u can't. On farms I hunt this range will cover 90% of the fields.

I wouldn't call it long range. I hunt a lot by boat. I drop a dog or two and I want them to cover at least a 800 to 1000 yard radius before we load up and head on down the waterway. Does this always happen? No, but that is ideal for me because I'm lazy and aint walking unless their bayed... lol
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« Reply #26 on: April 08, 2013, 12:04:57 pm »

Here is another conundrum.... Finds their own hogs....? That phrase in itself needs to be defined here. Are you walking, driving or dropping your dogs within 100 or even 200 yards of said hogs? To me that is not a dog finding their own hogs. That's a dog being fed hogs and darn near any dog that will bay a hog can do this.

I got in this debate in another thread but I guess I see things different than a lot of hunters out there....

So to answer your question I will not breed a dog that cannot TRULY find THEIR own hogs...

I think we hunt allot a like Chad!  We actually need to do it again! 

My guess is u run long range dogs. I do not. I road mine. I expect them to wind and if we cross a track I expect them to go with it. If I stop they should hunt the area out to around 300 yards. I know in some places a man can see that far but if it is pine thickets u can't. On farms I hunt this range will cover 90% of the fields.

I wouldn't call it long range. I hunt a lot by boat. I drop a dog or two and I want them to cover at least a 800 to 1000 yard radius before we load up and head on down the waterway. Does this always happen? No, but that is ideal for me because I'm lazy and aint walking unless their bayed... lol

I think we hunt allot a like Chad!  We actually need to do it again! 

Oh, and we WALKED to the bay when you hunted with me!  Wink  3 bays if i rememeber right!  Wink
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« Reply #27 on: April 08, 2013, 01:24:18 pm »

Kevin, i know since i obide by the law the majority of the time, i hunt corp land on foot, that would be walk hunting for some. Only other other choices are on horse back or taking a chance n using a wheeler in a no access area. I used to walk hunt n wanted my dogs close to me, which im paying the price now bc a lota places iv hunted lately, its by wheeler. My old style is a kick in the junk on my new style.
If everytime the walk hunter goes out and both hunter n dogs find the hogs at the same time, then yes, bad for the dog/s, but if the dogs are out 50-200yds corcling and they find a hog or its track n run it n at the end, wam, hog/s. be it 50yds or 1000yds if the hunter dont hav to walk up the hogs n throw the dogs into the pack, then the dogs are finding their own hogs. Diff strokes for diff folks.

Winding from a boat aint no diff than road windin, except the vehicle n type of road used. U cant giv an example of 1 style of hunting, that that person deems best style for his application and try n compare to a completely diff style n then say the other style of huntin dogs are culls. Only in ur eyes for ur paticular style of hunting, would the dog be a cull. Dadgum, its compairing orages to grapefruits, similar in family, but completely diff fruits.

I wasn't saying winding from the boat. Heck the majority of the time we have a south wind and that puts it at our back but I still want them to go hunt no matter which way the winds blowing. Now granted a north wind always makes it easier on them..
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« Reply #28 on: April 08, 2013, 01:25:44 pm »

Here is another conundrum.... Finds their own hogs....? That phrase in itself needs to be defined here. Are you walking, driving or dropping your dogs within 100 or even 200 yards of said hogs? To me that is not a dog finding their own hogs. That's a dog being fed hogs and darn near any dog that will bay a hog can do this.

I got in this debate in another thread but I guess I see things different than a lot of hunters out there....

So to answer your question I will not breed a dog that cannot TRULY find THEIR own hogs...

I think we hunt allot a like Chad!  We actually need to do it again! 

My guess is u run long range dogs. I do not. I road mine. I expect them to wind and if we cross a track I expect them to go with it. If I stop they should hunt the area out to around 300 yards. I know in some places a man can see that far but if it is pine thickets u can't. On farms I hunt this range will cover 90% of the fields.

I wouldn't call it long range. I hunt a lot by boat. I drop a dog or two and I want them to cover at least a 800 to 1000 yard radius before we load up and head on down the waterway. Does this always happen? No, but that is ideal for me because I'm lazy and aint walking unless their bayed... lol

I think we hunt allot a like Chad!  We actually need to do it again! 

Oh, and we WALKED to the bay when you hunted with me!  Wink  3 bays if i rememeber right!  Wink

Actually it was 4 bays we had to walk to..counting the one from the morning before... But whos counting Grin
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« Reply #29 on: April 08, 2013, 07:03:09 pm »

This is where it comes into play that I said I'm not very bright and didn't claim to be a dogman, BUT, since BRK said she's a known producer of strikedogs, then she is proven. A proven producer.

As for me, I would personally be very reluctant to breed an unproven gyp even among the lines I like simply becuase i feel performance is the goal. But what do I know, I can think of one fella we all envy who I've heard does exactly that with his crossbred bitches and his dogs are among the most elite in the sport fr what I've seen heard and read. He's obviously doing something very right and I'm obviously not yet.

I will say it like this...

a king is looking for a young maiden to have sons that will be mighty warriors and leaders, and the daughters to be intelligent, elegant, and beautiful...

He looks at all the leaders that are mighty warriors and he see's only one young lady that is available from all these men...and...she is not beautiful and not so elegent...but...she has brothers, uncles and grandparents that are mighty men, and the women from this line are mostly beautiful, elegant and intelligent...

The king decides to look at the poor working class and he finds a beautiful young lady that is available and he investigates her back ground and the father is unknown and the mothers side of the family has at least 50 percent of the family to be drunks and most failed out of school as children...and...the rest work for the king as janitors or field hands...

so which one of the maidens will the king pick to have children with???
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I will say it like this...

a king is looking for a young maiden to have sons that will be mighty warriors and leaders, and the daughters to be intelligent, elegant, and beautiful...

He looks at all the leaders that are mighty warriors and he see's only one young lady that is available from all these men...and...she is not beautiful and not so elegent...but...she has brothers, uncles and grandparents that are mighty men, and the women from this line are mostly beautiful, elegant and intelligent...

The king decides to look at the poor working class and he finds a beautiful young lady that is available and he investigates her back ground and the father is unknown and the mothers side of the family has at least 50 percent of the family to be drunks and most failed out of school as children...and...the rest work for the king as janitors or field hands...

so which one of the maidens will the king pick to have children with???
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« Reply #31 on: April 08, 2013, 09:37:10 pm »

This is where it comes into play that I said I'm not very bright and didn't claim to be a dogman, BUT, since BRK said she's a known producer of strikedogs, then she is proven. A proven producer.

As for me, I would personally be very reluctant to breed an unproven gyp even among the lines I like simply becuase i feel performance is the goal. But what do I know, I can think of one fella we all envy who I've heard does exactly that with his crossbred bitches and his dogs are among the most elite in the sport fr what I've seen heard and read. He's obviously doing something very right and I'm obviously not yet.

I will say it like this...

a king is looking for a young maiden to have sons that will be mighty warriors and leaders, and the daughters to be intelligent, elegant, and beautiful...

He looks at all the leaders that are mighty warriors and he see's only one young lady that is available from all these men...and...she is not beautiful and not so elegent...but...she has brothers, uncles and grandparents that are mighty men, and the women from this line are mostly beautiful, elegant and intelligent...

The king decides to look at the poor working class and he finds a beautiful young lady that is available and he investigates her back ground and the father is unknown and the mothers side of the family has at least 50 percent of the family to be drunks and most failed out of school as children...and...the rest work for the king as janitors or field hands...

so which one of the maidens will the king pick to have children with???

this is my thoughts about it...blood, it's what makes your chances better...

as far as range on a dog not everyone has large tracts to hunt and not everyone has small tracts. you have the dogs you do because of the places you have or at least should. now if you're hunting BIG country with short range dogs then maybe you need to look at improvements, whatever you decide to do. NO one can tell another their dogs don't work because they're close or far, you're not hunting their style obviously.
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« Reply #32 on: April 08, 2013, 09:46:30 pm »

To me, breeding a dog that cannot find or strike it's own hog is like going backwards. You might luck up but for sure the chances of getting top dogs is nil. It is hard enough getting top dogs from top dog breeding. There are so many variables to make a top dog & if you have the right gentics, you need the exposure & hunting that is required to make a top dog. Good dogs dont get made on a chain or in a pen.
  Other then people running rcd's with there strike dogs I just dont know many peoplle who would hunt with help dogs other then young & upkeeping youngsters. I must be wrong because the dog trade if full of them but how often do you see top strike dogs for sale. If people would cull them, instead of breeding them you might see a difference.
  On anotherf note if T Bob does not mind why is it so hard for that super dog to reproduce itself. One of the most famous crosses in Plott history was the Butch x Jill cross(weems breeding) According to the man that trained Jill she was just a avernot age dog but when bred to Butch, she reproduced well above the average to great dogs. Both parents were linebred & related.
  I think the biggest problem is kennel blindness & the I would rather breed one of my dogs then go down the road & breed to old so & so top dog. I just cannot understand this concept.




I agree with most of what you are saying...

this is what I have seen...well bred dogs don't need to hunt every day but the more the better like anything else...sorry dogs can be hunted every day and they are still gonna be sorry dogs...

short story...

a friend of mine brought a 6 month old pup along on a hunt and we caught a big boar in a slough and the pup was with the pack...then while we were dealing with the boar we heard a baying in the cattails and slough about 150 yards away...it was that pup on a coon...one of the guys hunting with us thought that was one sorry a$$ trashy pup...me...I was excited because I saw the potential in that pup...when I look at a pup or young dog I look at the potential and I evaluate the handler and how much the pup has been in the woods...when I look at a grown dog I want so see a good hogdog but I look more towards breeding potential...

after 5 generations on the dam side and 3 generations on the sires side...talking about best to the best of linebred and inbred dogs I gave a 10 week old pup to one of my brothers for a blood trailing dog...I gave him a pup that had a good winding and trailing nose...two years later he wants to get rid of him because he never did anything with him...I took him and put him in the bay pen and took to baying like a pro pen dog...took him to the woods and he was hunting as good as the other dogs...second time out he took a hog by himself for a couple miles and swam the brazos...Someone caught thdog on the other side and called me to go get him...but he was a hunting dog...when breeding it is best to look for nature ability and inclination...if you have to hunt a dog 2 or 3 times a week to make a hunting dog out of it then we can expect the same from the pups...

If we feel the need to breed in a little hound to the curs do it at the beginning and no more...if you feel the need for new blood find a dog that is similar to your dogs and breed that dog once to your best...if it clicks then use the offspring of that cross to bring in the new blood which is only 25%...any more and it won't be your line because it will have more of that other line...

if that outcross does not produce then get rid of all the pups and look elsewhere...

check all my post if you like...right or wrong I never waver from what I write...I always repeat myself because that is exactly how I done it and it works for me...

three things when breeding hunting dogs...

1...we have to know what a good dog is so we can set our goals and pick our dogs...that includes hunting style, conformation, intelligence, and range, finding and stopping hogs as well as bottom...

2...pick the breeders for natural ability for breeding and we must inbreed a little and linebreed a lot...bring in new blood with no more the 25% of it...

3...and just as important...pick the pups with natural ability to reproduce and carry on...

it takes a lot of money, time, and hard work to breed a good pack of dogs that hunt and have it in them to pass on geneticly what we want when needed...and I know the older folks can say the same thing...I did it once and won't do it again...but I will slowly move in that direction...

some breeders breed 3 generations in 20 years...

I turned 5 generations on the dam side in about 7 years to purify the gene pool then slowed it down...

HOG DOG-OLOGY...lots of chapters in that book...  Smiley


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« Reply #33 on: April 08, 2013, 10:12:55 pm »

This is where it comes into play that I said I'm not very bright and didn't claim to be a dogman, BUT, since BRK said she's a known producer of strikedogs, then she is proven. A proven producer.

As for me, I would personally be very reluctant to breed an unproven gyp even among the lines I like simply becuase i feel performance is the goal. But what do I know, I can think of one fella we all envy who I've heard does exactly that with his crossbred bitches and his dogs are among the most elite in the sport fr what I've seen heard and read. He's obviously doing something very right and I'm obviously not yet.

I will say it like this...

a king is looking for a young maiden to have sons that will be mighty warriors and leaders, and the daughters to be intelligent, elegant, and beautiful...

He looks at all the leaders that are mighty warriors and he see's only one young lady that is available from all these men...and...she is not beautiful and not so elegent...but...she has brothers, uncles and grandparents that are mighty men, and the women from this line are mostly beautiful, elegant and intelligent...

The king decides to look at the poor working class and he finds a beautiful young lady that is available and he investigates her back ground and the father is unknown and the mothers side of the family has at least 50 percent of the family to be drunks and most failed out of school as children...and...the rest work for the king as janitors or field hands...

so which one of the maidens will the king pick to have children with???
I think that's the best wat I have ever heard that put lmao

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« Reply #34 on: April 08, 2013, 10:18:23 pm »

Wooo weee I don't even know were to start .

I guess if I had to start over and was just starting out and let say I had a fine gyp that was bred well and also a damn great hog dog .  I would be looking to find the best hog hunting dog that I could to breed her to .  IN other words you breed athletes to athletes !  If you do not have a family of dogs then you need to breed the best to the best that you can find .  There is no since in worrying about blood at this point you just need to breed the best to the best that you can find .  Then you get your pups keep the best and do more best of the best breedings until you have yourself a few dogs from a few different crosses then you can start to combine your blood by breed half bro to half sister and so on .  This is how great lines get started !

Now ,  breeding to a dog that has not proven herself as a hog dog but has produced great hog dogs when bred to certain dogs and she her self is from a proven line and is great bred from a long line of great dogs.  There has been many many many breedings done like this and the bulldogs were a lot of them were I learned about this .

Some females it worked great for many many years and some females that were bred like this their offspring blew a gasket about half way threw them many many years and cull dogs started showing up more often than great dogs .  This is the chance you take .  You say what chance is that this bitch is a great producer of dogs and comes from great lines of dogs and producers of dogs ,  Well I say o did she now ,  well we are forgetting one main ingredient here , they say whats that ,  I say her ?  They go to scratching there heads what do you mean ,  I say what the hell do you mean what I mean !!!!!!!!!!!  What are you forgetting here ?  LOL You are forgetting this great bred bitch has never best tested she has never proven a damn thing in the woods are what ever her job is and now 15 years later she is dead and this great line is now starting to produce more junk than good dogs well what could that be ?  Could it be that bitch that was never tested was a cull !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Highly likely !  There is your problem and you just completely fell on your face not thinking about it !  

I would never ever breed to a bitch that I didn't know what she was .  I want to know what is in her gas tank man I want to know she is a good hog dog ,  I don't give a flying chit how she is bred she can be out of GR CH NITE CH GR CH God of all hog dogs ,  I do not care that is great but WHAT IS SHE HERSELF !   You damn well better know if you are basing your whole family line of dogs on her and her offspring if not 10 15 year from now you may find yourself scrapping your whole yard !

Now ,  folks I have seen this with my own eyes this is no hear say this is facts !

Blood is great , family's of dogs is great , line breeding and in breeding is great but Am here to tell you never take a damn thing for granite ,  see it with your on eyes and know what you are looking at !

Am not basing my whole yard on a bitch that has not hit a lick !
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« Reply #35 on: April 08, 2013, 10:25:58 pm »

And I sho as hell aint breeding to a male that aint hit a lick but great great bred.  He can have a golden goober and silver nads all I can say is melt them down and sell  !!!!!!!!!!!!!

You want good dogs you breed good dogs .  Dont let all this bloodline chit fool you and all these big names  ,  you breed the good and great dogs to the good and great dogs first and then later on you can look at putting together their bloodlines and be confendent you are in the right direction !
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« Reply #36 on: April 08, 2013, 10:29:30 pm »

Sorry but .

I got a question for yall ,  sorry T Bob hope you dont mind.

Tell me what is the difference in breeding a great bred untested gyp vs breeding a great bred untested male ?

Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?

I hear this chit all the time Aw I aint worried about the gyp ,  Really now ?

Why not ?  She throws half the gene pool just like the male !

Whats the difference ,  come on folks there is no difference if you breed a untested gyp you might as well breed a untested male !

Just a bunch of BS man !
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« Reply #37 on: April 08, 2013, 10:36:12 pm »

And I sho as hell aint breeding to a male that aint hit a lick but great great bred.  He can have a golden goober and silver nads all I can say is melt them down and sell  !!!!!!!!!!!!!

You want good dogs you breed good dogs .  Dont let all this bloodline chit fool you and all these big names  ,  you breed the good and great dogs to the good and great dogs first and then later on you can look at putting together their bloodlines and be confendent you are in the right direction !


    I am confused. Didnt you just breed that dog from fla to a few females of yours. And didnt you even say something about taking a chance  on him even though you havent hunted him enough,but he has the bloodline(name) to back it up?
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« Reply #38 on: April 08, 2013, 10:44:46 pm »

Sorry but .

I got a question for yall ,  sorry T Bob hope you dont mind.

Tell me what is the difference in breeding a great bred untested gyp vs breeding a great bred untested male ?

Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?

I hear this chit all the time Aw I aint worried about the gyp ,  Really now ?

Why not ?  She throws half the gene pool just like the male !

Whats the difference ,  come on folks there is no difference if you breed a untested gyp you might as well breed a untested male !

Just a bunch of BS man !

I stated without going into details but....I own the gyp I own her son I own her grandson and have tracked the breeding of this gyp...she has never hit the woods but is consistent in her offspring and their abilities. her son is a strikedog her grandson is a strikedog...several other dogs out of her that others own are strikedogs, she has a very low cull rate, this line is of old blood from LA. this isn't a random dog from let's say Florida I just got to breed to something in hopes of turning out dogs. homework, research, and knowing....
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« Reply #39 on: April 08, 2013, 10:51:01 pm »

Yes sir but I seen enuff out of that dog in a short three month period of time to know he is a hell of a dog bar none and there is plenty here that can tell you the same that has hunted with him since .  I seen dogs with three years exeprince not do and catch on as fast as he did .  There was  no training involved he took out with the main lead dogs the very first time and every time after that was at every bay and has stopped every hog that he has been on since day one if he was there it was stopped and caught including several boars around 250 lbs with no baby tusks ,  Not only did he stop them he caught them and all the running has stopped !   I got his bloodline verfied and talked to several people that knew them dogs including to Mr Partin and ask what those dogs were how they were and trying to find out everything I could about his line of dogs and this dog fit the mild to a T .  Also he backs his bloodline up most people want the bloodline to back the dog up LOL there is a differecne and when a dog like him can back up what his bloodline says he will do and not his bloodline have to back him up and make excuses for  ,  I will breed to this kind of dog every day .
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