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« Reply #40 on: April 08, 2013, 11:02:07 pm »

Sorry but .

I got a question for yall ,  sorry T Bob hope you dont mind.

Tell me what is the difference in breeding a great bred untested gyp vs breeding a great bred untested male ?

Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?

I hear this chit all the time Aw I aint worried about the gyp ,  Really now ?

Why not ?  She throws half the gene pool just like the male !

Whats the difference ,  come on folks there is no difference if you breed a untested gyp you might as well breed a untested male !

Just a bunch of BS man !

I stated without going into details but....I own the gyp I own her son I own her grandson and have tracked the breeding of this gyp...she has never hit the woods but is consistent in her offspring and their abilities. her son is a strikedog her grandson is a strikedog...several other dogs out of her that others own are strikedogs, she has a very low cull rate, this line is of old blood from LA. this isn't a random dog from let's say Florida I just got to breed to something in hopes of turning out dogs. homework, research, and knowing....

There is plenty of great bred gyps that have been bred  that never were proven and produced great dogs for years on end never ending never showing many signs of culls and the bloodlines went on to history .  But on the flip side there has been many of unproven great bred gyps that many a men bred and the bloodline fell on its face years into the breeding program.  No one can say it will and no one can say it wont only time knows that.

I just dont do it myself because I know several ole bulldog men that done this and seen them go threw hell years later .
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« Reply #41 on: April 08, 2013, 11:07:44 pm »

Sorry but .

I got a question for yall ,  sorry T Bob hope you dont mind.

Tell me what is the difference in breeding a great bred untested gyp vs breeding a great bred untested male ?

Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?

I hear this chit all the time Aw I aint worried about the gyp ,  Really now ?

Why not ?  She throws half the gene pool just like the male !

Whats the difference ,  come on folks there is no difference if you breed a untested gyp you might as well breed a untested male !

Just a bunch of BS man !

I stated without going into details but....I own the gyp I own her son I own her grandson and have tracked the breeding of this gyp...she has never hit the woods but is consistent in her offspring and their abilities. her son is a strikedog her grandson is a strikedog...several other dogs out of her that others own are strikedogs, she has a very low cull rate, this line is of old blood from LA. this isn't a random dog from let's say Florida I just got to breed to something in hopes of turning out dogs. homework, research, and knowing....

Also the first breeding was accedental with my Whitey gyp who is very hard to tell if she is in heat are not and on his first hunt with me they tied up in the woods yeah to say the least I like to have chit .   But as time went on and we all seen what kind of dog this dog was and a month are two went by and big hogs were falling prey to him and the running had all but stopped the dog was verfied and after a lot of research my other two gyps come in and yes sir the pipe was laid on purpose .
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« Reply #42 on: April 08, 2013, 11:31:30 pm »

Sorry but .

I got a question for yall ,  sorry T Bob hope you dont mind.

Tell me what is the difference in breeding a great bred untested gyp vs breeding a great bred untested male ?

Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?

I hear this chit all the time Aw I aint worried about the gyp ,  Really now ?

Why not ?  She throws half the gene pool just like the male !

Whats the difference ,  come on folks there is no difference if you breed a untested gyp you might as well breed a untested male !

Just a bunch of BS man !

I stated without going into details but....I own the gyp I own her son I own her grandson and have tracked the breeding of this gyp...she has never hit the woods but is consistent in her offspring and their abilities. her son is a strikedog her grandson is a strikedog...several other dogs out of her that others own are strikedogs, she has a very low cull rate, this line is of old blood from LA. this isn't a random dog from let's say Florida I just got to breed to something in hopes of turning out dogs. homework, research, and knowing....

Also the first breeding was accedental with my Whitey gyp who is very hard to tell if she is in heat are not and on his first hunt with me they tied up in the woods yeah to say the least I like to have chit .   But as time went on and we all seen what kind of dog this dog was and a month are two went by and big hogs were falling prey to him and the running had all but stopped the dog was verfied and after a lot of research my other two gyps come in and yes sir the pipe was laid on purpose .

I never question a mans decision or efforts there to, if you want to breed to anything that's their (whoever) decision and they have to live with it. With that said I meant no more than to explain I know this gyp and I know the chance I'm taking breeding her but you breed the best you have at the time and if you've lost a proven dog, her granddaughter then you have to back-up and start over. I'm sure you know your stuff and I wasn't questioning your choice until mine was. I have noticed that folks are quick to jump on each other without knowing the whole story and I've noticed the stars seem to mean (in general) an experienced dogman...off subject..been hunting dogs from childhood and still learning.
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« Reply #43 on: April 08, 2013, 11:52:22 pm »

My time with the dogs almost 30 yrs I bred are on the books and in history .  These cur dogs are just a hobby !  I myself dont need them stars . 
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« Reply #44 on: April 08, 2013, 11:54:32 pm »

My time with the dogs almost 30 yrs I bred are on the books and in history .  These cur dogs are just a hobby !  I myself dont need them stars . 

so you fight dogs  Huh? Huh?
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« Reply #45 on: April 08, 2013, 11:58:04 pm »

Nope dont own a bulldog .
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« Reply #46 on: April 09, 2013, 12:13:54 am »

I wish I had a dog that could stop every hog I put him on!!!
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« Reply #47 on: April 09, 2013, 06:04:23 am »

I wish I had a dog that could stop every hog I put him on!!!

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Texashogdogs...back when I had my dogs how I wanted...and... let's say all my females I kept died and all I had was a runt female pup left and let's say she was a cull...number 1 I would not hunt her because now she is the most valuable dog I have in my yard and I sure wouldn't go by me a bitch from another line of dogs because even though that runt won't be proven I know her background...nothing but the best for 4-6 generations...I did say I turned the females very quickly to purify my bloodline...but they were all excellent dogs in my eyes...I looked for and selected for natural ability as much as possible...I never waited for a dog to show me something at 2 or 3 years of age...and I never put a dog in the woods 5 days a week in the woods to see if that switch would trip...because doing all that to get a hog dog just means that that is what we are breeding for...didn't want it and won't ever breed that way...I always bred for natural early starters and the majority of the pups will be doing great at 10 months and some at 6 months months will be rolling out...

I don't live in the country but I have had 10 dogs in my back yard and I will never do that again...but everything I had was proven and that included 3 or 4 six month old pups that were well on there way to making what I wanted...


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« Reply #48 on: April 09, 2013, 08:33:42 am »

My time with the dogs almost 30 yrs I bred are on the books and in history .  These cur dogs are just a hobby !  I myself dont need them stars . 

so you fight dogs  Huh? Huh?

How'd u get that he fights dogs from that?
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« Reply #49 on: April 09, 2013, 08:38:25 am »

My time with the dogs almost 30 yrs I bred are on the books and in history .  These cur dogs are just a hobby !  I myself dont need them stars . 

so you fight dogs  Huh? Huh?

How'd u get that he fights dogs from that?
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« Reply #50 on: April 09, 2013, 09:47:35 am »

Kevin, i know since i obide by the law the majority of the time, i hunt corp land on foot, that would be walk hunting for some. Only other other choices are on horse back or taking a chance n using a wheeler in a no access area. I used to walk hunt n wanted my dogs close to me, which im paying the price now bc a lota places iv hunted lately, its by wheeler. My old style is a kick in the junk on my new style.
If everytime the walk hunter goes out and both hunter n dogs find the hogs at the same time, then yes, bad for the dog/s, but if the dogs are out 50-200yds corcling and they find a hog or its track n run it n at the end, wam, hog/s. be it 50yds or 1000yds if the hunter dont hav to walk up the hogs n throw the dogs into the pack, then the dogs are finding their own hogs. Diff strokes for diff folks.

Winding from a boat aint no diff than road windin, except the vehicle n type of road used. U cant giv an example of 1 style of hunting, that that person deems best style for his application and try n compare to a completely diff style n then say the other style of huntin dogs are culls. Only in ur eyes for ur paticular style of hunting, would the dog be a cull. Dadgum, its compairing orages to grapefruits, similar in family, but completely diff fruits.

I wasn't saying winding from the boat. Heck the majority of the time we have a south wind and that puts it at our back but I still want them to go hunt no matter which way the winds blowing. Now granted a north wind always makes it easier on them..

Oh, ok. From the post u made about riding around in a boat, tossing a couple dogs out and wait till they get back bc ur lazy n dont like walking unless bayed, i assumed u were winding from a boat. I did that a good bit on the corp lake, idle along the shore or pole, depending on wind speed n draft of my boat n let the dogs work the bank till they pop smoke n go. Now, ur description of ur style of hunting of beach the boat, dump dogs out n sit in the boat or on a log on the bank is complete oppisite of the example of how a walk hunters dogs find pigs. In ur own words, u ride around in a boat n dont walk unless bayed (orange) but i used to beach the boat, dump dogs out, walk a couple miles and kept my dogs close (since i didnt hav a trackin system) and walk n watch them till they hit a track (grapefruit). Ur comparison example doesnt jive with ur method of hunting. Yes it hunting, but it aint same style of hunting.
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« Reply #51 on: April 09, 2013, 10:53:04 am »

My time with the dogs almost 30 yrs I bred are on the books and in history .  These cur dogs are just a hobby !  I myself dont need them stars . 

so you fight dogs  Huh? Huh?

How'd u get that he fights dogs from that?
I was sent a few messages

And how was your line of questioning pertinent to this discussion? I'm not quite clear on how that if a man kept and bred gamedogs in the past has anything to do with this topic...
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« Reply #52 on: April 09, 2013, 11:11:57 am »

Thats ok Scott

Let me say this .

I was sent a few messages

You know it never fails !  

I was once told by a old time famous dog breeder that would now at this time and day proably be over a hundred years old.  He said Jim you ever want to find out who the real deal people are just start speaking the truth !

He says because it will weed threw a lot of BS real fast.  The first ones that are gonna squeal is the Pretenders they are the ones that are going to get their feelings hurt first and real real fast , they are gonna talk chit they are gonna act like there is no other way to breed dogs other than their own and the first thing you got to ask them is what have you done were are your dogs that have made great dogs .  Whos got them were they at .

The second ones you are going to have is your real deal people that are wanting to learn with open minds they will soak up every bit of info they can get and place it in the back of their heads never forgetting it as time goes on.  They are the ones willing to learn and try things and apply what they have been told threw years of listening and not speaking but working and handling dogs.  These people are the future of the dogs and who you have got to look for !

Then there is the older men dog breeders of years that have been there and done that .  They never get upset pissed off are blow things out of porportion because they already know excatly what you are talking about .  They dont slam they dont get mad they dont make comments that are uncalled for they keep it real and go on about there business.  For the most part they will help the willing with their knowledge but will dispise a smart ass know it all .

Back in the day we didnt have these big PC's in them times you never said something to a person that you would not say in person to him are her because if you did you were proably going to loose some teeth and more.

But you see this is the www were puter jockeys and keyboard hero's win the screen wars , breed dogs and are the best thing since sliced bread .  Never having to prove a thing.

Just for your infomation buddy .  I knew Marice Carver, Jerry Clemmons , Floyd Boudreax, Don Mayfeild, Leo Kindard, Gary Hammonds , Bobby Hall, JD Elliott, Mr Chrenshaw, Limey Kennels , Mr Lablanc , Mr Bulldog, knew them personally stayed with a lot of them and also Mr Greenwood and talked to Mr Stratton a time are two and a whole whole lot more  and they were all ledgends of their times each sealed in the history books .  The one regret I have is I didnt get to meet Mr Earl Tudor he did a month are two before I was going to vist him .   I myself have not owned a real bulldog in years and years .  

Thats some pretty good references as far as dog breeding goes ,
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« Reply #53 on: April 09, 2013, 12:01:45 pm »

I wish I had a dog that could stop every hog I put him on!!!

I said so far,  if I didnt say it I should have because we all know its just a matter of time before he gets his ass handed to him be hurt are killed,  its coming sure as rain !  I dont claim super dog I claim a dog that met my standards to breed on this yard and he done it n a short period of time .
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« Reply #54 on: April 09, 2013, 01:30:42 pm »

Thats ok Scott

Let me say this .

I was sent a few messages

You know it never fails !  

I was once told by a old time famous dog breeder that would now at this time and day proably be over a hundred years old.  He said Jim you ever want to find out who the real deal people are just start speaking the truth !

He says because it will weed threw a lot of BS real fast.  The first ones that are gonna squeal is the Pretenders they are the ones that are going to get their feelings hurt first and real real fast , they are gonna talk chit they are gonna act like there is no other way to breed dogs other than their own and the first thing you got to ask them is what have you done were are your dogs that have made great dogs .  Whos got them were they at .

The second ones you are going to have is your real deal people that are wanting to learn with open minds they will soak up every bit of info they can get and place it in the back of their heads never forgetting it as time goes on.  They are the ones willing to learn and try things and apply what they have been told threw years of listening and not speaking but working and handling dogs.  These people are the future of the dogs and who you have got to look for !

Then there is the older men dog breeders of years that have been there and done that .  They never get upset pissed off are blow things out of porportion because they already know excatly what you are talking about .  They dont slam they dont get mad they dont make comments that are uncalled for they keep it real and go on about there business.  For the most part they will help the willing with their knowledge but will dispise a smart ass know it all .

Back in the day we didnt have these big PC's in them times you never said something to a person that you would not say in person to him are her because if you did you were proably going to loose some teeth and more.

But you see this is the www were puter jockeys and keyboard hero's win the screen wars , breed dogs and are the best thing since sliced bread .  Never having to prove a thing.

Just for your infomation buddy .  I knew Marice Carver, Jerry Clemmons , Floyd Boudreax, Don Mayfeild, Leo Kindard, Gary Hammonds , Bobby Hall, JD Elliott, Mr Chrenshaw, Limey Kennels , Mr Lablanc , Mr Bulldog, knew them personally stayed with a lot of them and also Mr Greenwood and talked to Mr Stratton a time are two and a whole whole lot more  and they were all ledgends of their times each sealed in the history books .  The one regret I have is I didnt get to meet Mr Earl Tudor he did a month are two before I was going to vist him .   I myself have not owned a real bulldog in years and years .  

Thats some pretty good references as far as dog breeding goes ,

Very impressive and very well, said.  Wish i could have met half of those guys! 
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« Reply #55 on: April 09, 2013, 05:39:45 pm »

Boy there's some egoes on here, this all started from me adding to the discussion a simple question and after attacked for a breeding decision asked another simple question. I thought I was speaking to adults regarding dogs not name dropping to prove I'm important to someone somewhere. As for getting upset, not in the least. I only get upset when it's worth it, as you age you definitely learn people and positions they take. Simple questions require simple answers...it was a question to the forumn not a quote of what to do. As for the messages, like the mafia you learn alot about a situation from low spoken whisper that wasn't  spoken out loud for the whole room to hear. this is like junior high school when boys start getting hair and poke their chest out...wow go figure
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« Reply #56 on: April 09, 2013, 06:02:49 pm »

Let me say this too, I am far from an experienced dog man. Hell I'm still green. So I am not trying to come across as something I'm not. But I think I have the bar set higher than a lot of folks I have hunted with...

you might be a little green but you are catching hogs with your dogs...nice...  Smiley if I were new this site would be my hog doggers bible...
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« Reply #57 on: April 09, 2013, 06:17:49 pm »

I mainly like to talk breeding and dog handling...

to rap up what I said...I did say that I would rather breed to an unproven dog out of a long line of good to great dogs...rather than breeding to a star of unknown or of a lesser than average lineage...

but what I didn't say is this...just because I bred that way does not mean I will build a breeding program around that dog...breed it once and move it on...the next generation might be used for breeding but probably not...but for sure the following will be because it is all about cleaning the gene pool...got to put a little distance between the unproven dog before breeding extensively...but when you want the best we have to be hardnosed about how we breed...that's about all I have to say about that...
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« Reply #58 on: April 09, 2013, 06:47:00 pm »

I thought I was speaking to adults regarding dogs not name dropping to prove I'm important to someone somewhere. As for getting upset, not in the least. I only get upset when it's worth it, as you age you definitely learn people and positions they take. Simple questions require simple answers...

Then, since we are adults care to give a simple answer to the simple questions I asked you? To refresh your memory here they are again.

My time with the dogs almost 30 yrs I bred are on the books and in history .  These cur dogs are just a hobby !  I myself dont need them stars . 

so you fight dogs  Huh? Huh?

How'd u get that he fights dogs from that?
I was sent a few messages

And how was your line of questioning pertinent to this discussion? I'm not quite clear on how that if a man kept and bred gamedogs in the past has anything to do with this topic...
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« Reply #59 on: April 09, 2013, 06:57:06 pm »

 in the mafia, folks got whacked for askn the wrong questions and buttin in. asking some1 if the fight dogs on an open forum with all the bunny humpers lookin aint smart and is like flagging down a cop and sayin, "hey my friend just robbed a gas station and he is still there" how bout send the person a pm askin that kinda question, especially since it is ILLEGAL to fight dogs and if it aint, it SHOULD BE
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