Demodectic (sp?) Red Mange....... Advice needed please

[justincorbell]

Long story short, I bought 3 Jagd pups last july/august. A couple months back all 3 came down with red mange, I brought em to the vet and they gave me meds to give them everyday that did NOT work. I researched a TON on this site and have been using the burnt motor oil/ sulfur mixture as well as tons of nustock..........It IS working but I have read on here numerous times that I am more than likely fighting a loosing battle, I put down one of the 3 already because she was not responding to treatments at all and the poor thing looked terrible. I guess what I am asking is am I really fighting a loosing battle or can it be contained/ controlled? I know that I cannot breed them due to it being genetically passed down BUT if this is going to be a constant ongoing battle should I cut my losses now or continue to play it by ear??? Im pretty sure I know the answer to my question but I guess I want to hear some of the more experienced handlers advice regarding this problem.........so what say ye' ethd? Don't worry about sugar coating anything, I want to hear your straight up no BS assesment of the situation and what you would do to help me make the final call. Thanks in advance to anyone who responds.

[JoshH34]

Justin, I cant say that Ive dealt with this a whole lot, but I did have a Dogo about 3 years ago or so that had it, and she had to be put down.  Its an aweful mange, and dogs pass it on to future litters of theirs.  The dogo I had was a female so it was going to pass to her pups, as for males I'm not sure, but even if it didnt pass to his pups, its still something that you really cant get rid of.  I dont know if this helps or not, but good luck with it.

[justincorbell]

Justin, I cant say that Ive dealt with this a whole lot, but I did have a Dogo about 3 years ago or so that had it, and she had to be put down.  Its an aweful mange, and dogs pass it on to future litters of theirs.  The dogo I had was a female so it was going to pass to her pups, as for males I'm not sure, but even if it didnt pass to his pups, its still something that you really cant get rid of.  I dont know if this helps or not, but good luck with it.

Josh, appreciate the quick response, I have a feeling that the same is going to have to be done to the 2 I have remaining, it sucks but that part of life I reckon. the 2 I have left are both male, I had to put down the female already. The dealing with it part isn't what bothers me as I don't mind treating them but at some point one has to ask if it is worth it to continue..........I haven't been able to start them due to it as of yet, it may sound bad but I bought them as hunting dogs and if I can't use them for the one thing I bought them for then there is no point in continuing to fight a battle that I know can't be won. I more or less wanted to hear from people like you who have dealt with it to see how the dog progress over a period of time and if it continually relapsed or eventually cleared up......from what I understand about the condition is that once they have it they will always have it, it may lay dormant for a period of time but it will never completely go away and things like stress will contribute to it continually coming back.

[JoshH34]

Thats my understanding, just when she looked like she may be clearing up, she would relapse, she always had a little biot though.  it just looked either bad or terrible for the most part, I felt sorry for her so just had her put down.  No need for a dog to go through with that IMO.

[Hillbilly Safari]

I had a bulldog with it... I took him to the vet and he told me to give him Ivomec every day until i started to see it clear up so I did and it took about two weeks and it healed up ... not going to say that it will help yours but its worth a try i guess

[PERFORMANCEBOSS]

I have a 4 year old female mountain cur with mange. Had it since she was about 6 months. Been able to keep it under control by giving her .5 cc of ivomec orally for 14 days everytime she has a breakout , can not be ivomec plus, she has a breakout every time she goes into hear, talked to the vet and he said Spaiding her would help also. She hunts great and doesn't have any discomfort at all.

[MrsLouisianaHogDog]

Are they bad to the point where they have a secondary skin infection from it? i.e. elephant looking pink raw looking skin?

Over the years, I have seen dogs that had severe cases of demodex be fixed, but in the more severe case where the meds just didn't help.....we would suggest euthanasia to the client. Once they have an outbreak, they are indeed prone to more outbreaks in the future. Demodex is also stress induced. It will also emerge when the dog's immune system is low from illness, injury, etc.

Did someone sell you these guys while they showed visible sign of the mange?

[TeJaShOgSlAyER]

Justin i don't wanna give you any bad news but the last bulldog I had I was fighting a loosing battle i couldn't get it clear up he lost alot of weight vet said sometimes if you catch when they are a pup sometimes you can get rid of it! I was also told it was hereditary and not to breed the dog! My bulldog would never clear up I tried everything ivromec burnt motor oil meds from the vet nothing worked for me had to have the bull dog put down cause he was scratching himself till he would bleed it was a sad to have to do that but I didn't have a choice! Hope you have better luck then me man good luck

[justincorbell]

Are they bad to the point where they have a secondary skin infection from it? i.e. elephant looking pink raw looking skin?

Over the years, I have seen dogs that had severe cases of demodex be fixed, but in the more severe case where the meds just didn't help.....we would suggest euthanasia to the client. Once they have an outbreak, they are indeed prone to more outbreaks in the future. Demodex is also stress induced. It will also emerge when the dog's immune system is low from illness, injury, etc.

Did someone sell you these guys while they showed visible sign of the mange?

highlighted in red answer: Yes mam 1 of the 2 I have now did, the burnt oil/sulfur took care of the red cracked looking skin and he is growing hair back in the original area's but is showing signs that it is coming back in other areas........I literally doused both of them in the oil/sulfur mix from the tip or their noses to the tips of their tails..........

highlighted in yellow answer: No man, I got them at 7wks old and they were 100% healthy, my last 2 came from the same breeders and were 100% healthy as well and never showed signs of any skin problems.

[justincorbell]

Justin i don't wanna give you any bad news but the last bulldog I had I was fighting a loosing battle i couldn't get it clear up he lost alot of weight vet said sometimes if you catch when they are a pup sometimes you can get rid of it! I was also told it was hereditary and not to breed the dog! My bulldog would never clear up I tried everything ivromec burnt motor oil meds from the vet nothing worked for me had to have the bull dog put down cause he was scratching himself till he would bleed it was a sad to have to do that but I didn't have a choice! Hope you have better luck then me man good luck

I appreciate the honest answer, at this point i feel like I am more than likely going to have to do the same as you did, 1 of the 2 isn't near as bad but the other is pretty rough. I keep telling myself to give em 1 more week to see but 1 more week has become over  1 1/2months with not much change........it is what it is.......no reason to continue with numerous failed attempts............thanks for the response!

[TeJaShOgSlAyER]

No problem man I know the feeling i have been there wishing they would get better and it just didnt!

[MrsLouisianaHogDog]

Are they bad to the point where they have a secondary skin infection from it? i.e. elephant looking pink raw looking skin?

Over the years, I have seen dogs that had severe cases of demodex be fixed, but in the more severe case where the meds just didn't help.....we would suggest euthanasia to the client. Once they have an outbreak, they are indeed prone to more outbreaks in the future. Demodex is also stress induced. It will also emerge when the dog's immune system is low from illness, injury, etc.

Did someone sell you these guys while they showed visible sign of the mange?

highlighted in red answer: Yes mam 1 of the 2 I have now did, the burnt oil/sulfur took care of the red cracked looking skin and he is growing hair back in the original area's but is showing signs that it is coming back in other areas........I literally doused both of them in the oil/sulfur mix from the tip or their noses to the tips of their tails..........

highlighted in yellow answer: No man, I got them at 7wks old and they were 100% healthy, my last 2 came from the same breeders and were 100% healthy as well and never showed signs of any skin problems.

Maybe do the tough deed for the one, but try a bit longer with the one that's not as bad? Sucks that that happened.
You can only do so much though ya know? Sounds like you've done more than most would do in that situation. The breeder may not wanna repeat that same breeding again. that's odd. Do you know if sny of their siblings came down with demodex too?

[justincorbell]

Are they bad to the point where they have a secondary skin infection from it? i.e. elephant looking pink raw looking skin?

Over the years, I have seen dogs that had severe cases of demodex be fixed, but in the more severe case where the meds just didn't help.....we would suggest euthanasia to the client. Once they have an outbreak, they are indeed prone to more outbreaks in the future. Demodex is also stress induced. It will also emerge when the dog's immune system is low from illness, injury, etc.

Did someone sell you these guys while they showed visible sign of the mange?

highlighted in red answer: Yes mam 1 of the 2 I have now did, the burnt oil/sulfur took care of the red cracked looking skin and he is growing hair back in the original area's but is showing signs that it is coming back in other areas........I literally doused both of them in the oil/sulfur mix from the tip or their noses to the tips of their tails..........

highlighted in yellow answer: No man, I got them at 7wks old and they were 100% healthy, my last 2 came from the same breeders and were 100% healthy as well and never showed signs of any skin problems.

Maybe do the tough deed for the one, but try a bit longer with the one that's not as bad? Sucks that that happened.
You can only do so much though ya know? Sounds like you've done more than most would do in that situation. The breeder may not wanna repeat that same breeding again. that's odd. Do you know if sny of their siblings came down with demodex too?

That is exactly what I was thinkin Mam. I already let the breeders know the situation. I do not know anyone else who has pups out of this litter. I am going to put them both on chains for 2 weeks (they have been together in a kennel their entire lives but they are big enough for a chain, i was going to do it before but i was afraid a collar rubbing would make it worse.......about out of options now so i figured it cant hurt.

[LoftinCattleCo]

Sorry to say man but I had the same happen with a gyp pit i had... I got her at weaning age for free she was wormy and starved and starting to lose her hair at the time I thought is was due to malnutrition... Wormed her and poured the feed to her but hair continued to come out.. Vet gave a dose of meds cleared right up within 3 wks then it was right back where I started motor oil and the home remedies had the same effect but it was an ongoing thing so I had to put her down.

[PERFORMANCEBOSS]

Try the ivomec

[justincorbell]

Try the ivomec

I did, it was 1 big failure..........gave it to em everyday for 6weeks.

[Whistler]

I had two bulldogs get it. A brother and a sister. Gave the meds from the vet and it cleared up pretty quick on the male but his sister took a couple months of meds and cleared up. Don't know how much help it is but if you want Monday I can ask my vet what the name of the medicine was just to see if your vet gave them the same stuff or not?

[GRIMM]

OK.....
Dirty motor oil spred on their entire bodies. Let em sit in it for 3 days. Wash off with equal parts mixture of Dawn Original blue( not concentrated), hygrogen peroxide, and 20 mule team borax. If it aint gone repeat.

Also cam slather with Neem oil if u got a big budget.

Hal