Trapped hogs!!!

[charles]

I got some what of a "talking to" yesterday from a man who's place borders a place we hunt. We have permission to hunt it with the agreement we work his cows in the spring and fall free of charge. No big deal. This place is a honey hole. Last year we hunted it hard and ran the hogs out nearly completely within a few months. This year we have held back only hunting it once every 2 weeks.

Yesterday we worked his cows. We got there early to bay and let them settle a while before penning them(they are a wild bunch) riding across the big pasture in the front I saw rooting everywhere you looked. Hay stacks gone thru and a big part of his hay field torn up right where this man drives to his pens. He did not seem pleased. He asked how often we were hunting it and asked us to come more often. Kill every one. Dog them shoot them whatever.

Bottom line, this man like many others makes a living from the land. He has just enuf cattle so as not to overgraze. With a place like his when you start reaching in your pocket to feed your loosing money. Guess what hogs have him in his pocket.

So at the end of the day my opinion would be so what. Hogs dead in a trap is better that hogs in a farmer or ranchers pocket. They are big hary cockroaches that molest the land.

So its ok to inhumanely starve, torture and parch bc of the lack of give a damn to ck the traps? NO it aint! Yes the hogs need to removed, especialy if its costing the land owner undue expenses. But why do it inhumanely? Its the same principle as starving any animal, in hopes it will leave or just die, just like dumped dogs n cats, which bc of the inconsideration of irresponcible people, the new puppy mill bill is now a law. If a person cant or dont want to ck the traps or accept or cull the puppies n cats, then the person has no business setn the traps or breeding of their animals.
There is already to much attention to hog hunting from the bunny humpers. Why give them more ammo n attention from the abuse n neglect of ANY animal? No matter the animals disposition of the general public, land owners, hunters or liberal animal rights groups, its still unethical to starve and abuse any animal, no matter the reasoning or exploritory thoughts to justify the abuse.

[Nathan83]

Charles your right 100% shoot it or sale them,give them away, I know of a couple of family's that take piglets to feed there family and appreciate the pigs

[Easttex91]

It's wrong I can't believe someone said it's not

[BIG CHRIS]

Some of fellas seem to hate hogs with a passion. I could see the point if your a rancher or farmer. I love hogs, they give me that rush I would be missing in life if it wasn't for them. Any man who is sorry enough to think its ok to starve or dehydrate an animal just because its a problem doesn't deserve to draw breath eat. Or drink. threads like these show what kinda morales some of have and live by.

[dblackwell]

I can see by the responses some probley think I'm no good for saying that. However I will not backtrack or move from what I have said on the subject. Y'all say its inumane to do such a thing. Is it also inumane to put out rat poison or to put off an insect bom in your house for unwanted nucances? Or would you rather catch and kill every single mouse and bug in your house so that they do not suffer?

As far as morals go, I was raised by old timey hard working honest ppl. Most all of what I know to be true I have learned from my elders. As a kid I cannot tell you how many hogs or coyotes I saw my dad or grandpa shoot and leave lay out of pure hate of the animal. I will say that I don't think it is good practice to be running traps unless you have the time to check them. However I will not loose any sleep over a couple dead hogs. I feel no emotion twards the animal.

[T-Bob Parker]

I can see by the responses some probley think I'm no good for saying that. However I will not backtrack or move from what I have said on the subject. Y'all say its inumane to do such a thing. Is it also inumane to put out rat poison or to put off an insect bom in your house for unwanted nucances? Or would you rather catch and kill every single mouse and bug in your house so that they do not suffer?

As far as morals go, I was raised by old timey hard working honest ppl. Most all of what I know to be true I have learned from my elders. As a kid I cannot tell you how many hogs or coyotes I saw my dad or grandpa shoot and leave lay out of pure hate of the animal. I will say that I don't think it is good practice to be running traps unless you have the time to check them. However I will not loose any sleep over a couple dead hogs. I feel no emotion twards the animal.

I understand what your getting at. I've left my fair share of em layin. In some cases, landowners have even asked that we stack em all in a bone yard so they can keep a count.

[jwdeltx]

I don't know about other trapers , i trip all my traps durring hot weather  and don't set them until i know i will have time to check them regularly. But through the years i'v had hogs get into a triped trap and die before i found them !! Don't like it but it happens. Also have went to check traps and found tore up hogs and dead hogs with human foot prints all around . This trap was a quater mile in the property .If you saw these hogs YOU ARE TRESPASSING!!!!!!

[charles]

Killing and leaving lay is 100% opposite of trapping an animal, not checking the trap in a timely manner and the animal die from dehydration, starvation or by heat stroke. Ur getting the 2 different types of killing confused. I dont agree with killing and let them lay n rot, but its part of the deal to limit the damaged caused by them, but neglecting, starving, parching an animal just for chits n grins n bc there r to many, is wrong in every moral obligation of humanity.
Is it not inhumane to dump a dog or cat to the elements, abuse and mistreat them? We all know the answer, n the answer is YES!!!! Those dumped animals are a nuisence, but i'll be damned if any of yaw would cage the animal, starve it, refuse it water or shade, but instead yaw would dispatch it urself or call animal control bc ya aint got the stomach to do what needs to b done.
Its a shame to see folks with some of yaws mentality and actions towards animals, that it sometimes make me wish to support these bunny humpers n completely outlaw any form of hunting, just to rid the unethical hunters of any access or chance to abuse or mistreat animals for their own personal agenda. The p-poor actions of the few will eventusly  screw over the many.

[TexasHogDogs]

Well I dont agree with it thats for sure but what the hell they can fly around in choppers with paying custmors and charging the hell out of the farmers its a  double wammie the all mighty dollar  hell  shoot hogs lettem lay ,  wound them badly,  let'em bleed to death ,  lettem  suffer who gives a chit as long as the big boys say its ok and its a law in the book  !

What the hell man kinda like calling the kettle black !  Only difference is one way is legal and stupid  and the other is just plain stupid  !

I dont agree with either damn one of of em !

[Muddogkennels]

pigs are like rats they are only good dead .. your choppers hunters its a freak wasta if u shoot the pigs in didnt mark them for pick up.  they shoot them just to kill not to eat  ... i know if u f up my dang trap i'll be one pisted off traper yall thank destroying some ones trap makes it right i would be calling the game warden to watch the land .. the game wardens dont care a #2 about the pigs ...  they fill it saves a bullet or paying some one to remove them !

[halfbreed]

  i'll tell you one thing is,  that with these push gates they manufacture unless you wire them shut when you are not trapping you are most likely going to catch some hogs . and this is a lot of the trouble with the uneducated hog trappers or the educated as well . they run the traps and they see no corn in them and don't think to wire them shut when not being run  .

[Muddogkennels]

  i'll tell you one thing is,  that with these push gates they manufacture unless you wire them shut when you are not trapping you are most likely going to catch some hogs . and this is a lot of the trouble with the uneducated hog trappers or the educated as well . they run the traps and they see no corn in them and don't think to wire them shut when not being run  .

  thats right halfbreed and that being said dosnt mean u can mess up the dang trappers trap!!!  trespassing is 1 thing then destroying the trap now thats low lifes!!!!

[halfbreed]

   and actually against state AND FEDERAL  law .  this is one of the good things we got passed into legislation on state and federal level . we as sportsman fought long and hard to get these passed so the anti's could be held accountable for stealing and destroying traps across the country  . do I like people that are unethical or uneducated about trapping and the responsibility that is involved  NO !!

[Easttex91]

Idk if I'd destroy the trap just depends on my mood that day but I'm definitely killin the hogs

[charles]

Aint no way i'd destroy somethn some1 else worked hard to buy or build. If some1 is destroying traps or equip of any kind, they r tresspassing and 2 wrong dont make the end result right. If some1 came on my land n destroyed my stuff, he/she better hope the cops find them first. I do not find it ethical to torture animals, no matter the excuse used to justify it, but if its on their land, they'll hav to live with consiquince that they helped in ruining any form or fashion of harvesting animal bc of their unethical treatment towards LIVE critter.

[Easttex91]

Am I missin something on the trespassing part? Or are y'all sayin messin with someone's trap is considered trespassing?

[Bowtech99]

My buddy said no one else is susposed to be out on the place so you also have trespassing too.

Easttex91, Thats what you missed lol

[Easttex91]

Oh lol

[bob]

Well I see it different   If you don't run your traps and there's animals starving  , you will have no trap  , if you can't take care of business I will , same for deer hunting around my place , if I see your leaving trash around your stand.   Pop cans , scent bottles  , bait bottles ,  you loose your stand , you trespass and drive in the gate your tires come up flat , you can't be responsible in my neck of the woods and you will loose something, I hate poachers and will post up to catch them ,  man had feeder.  Shooting does out of season , told some crank heads about his stuff and the next day it was gone , the way I see it , be responsible around my place or you will loose your rights and whatever you leave behind, or ill help you to get to jail

[bob]

Okla rules state that hog  traps be ran every 24 hrs.  Any where but private must have name attached to trap