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« on: May 05, 2013, 02:50:05 pm »

How do you call off a dog on a pig? My gyp is a great hunter and rolls out as soon as we get the pig tied and is the best sure 'nuff dog I have. I'm proud of her but I get irritated with the rolling out sometimes because catching her isn't the easiest. I would love to teach her to back off and come to me or teach my other dogs. I don't think there's much hope for her because I can't even call her off a track?. Also it would be neat to work on balling pigs up at a new spot I have. I have cameras out there and looks to be about 18 give or take. Would love to get atleast some pigs use to not running as soon as they've been hunted once.

Any "techniques" i can use?
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« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2013, 03:50:28 pm »

I guess it was an accident, but iv got a bitch i can call off n only thing i can think i did right was, instead of letn her naw on the pig after hobblin or dispatchn, i would leash her n she would pull n pull. I would yank on the leader, snaping it against her neck n yankin her back, yellin at her "here, here, here". It makes it good when im ready to go bc i can call out here, here, here n she'll show back up, usually with a couple other dogs hunting with her. I also didnt hav a trackn system when i first started out n didnt like them gettn to far outa range n would keep pushing on after they headed out n would wait 10-15min n would start calln their names n yelln here. 10-15 later they would straggle in, id wait till we all regrouped n would push on some again. At that time it worked good for my bymyself, but when i started hunted with other that had a system, my dogs wouldnt venture out like their dogs would bc i kept them close to ear shot since im really hard of hearing. It took bout 6mth of workin with her, i got her to were i could call her off, im work on male now, but he is a lil more hard headed.
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« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2013, 04:41:40 pm »

Drake...make sure that's really what you want first. Most guys would love a dog that will roll out. I know I'm trying to GET my lead dog to roll out!
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« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2013, 05:05:04 pm »

Yeah I see both sides. The only real detriment is she makes runners when we get on some groups. Like last month I got on a small group of like 8-12. Had them bayed up let CD fly caught the biggest sow all the terriers went to caught hog and she just stayed with the group. She tried getting them stopped but they wouldn't. I don't know if that's her fault or not. I don't guess it is.
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« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2013, 05:16:35 pm »

I wish more of my dogs would roll out with her there would be more caught hogs.
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« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2013, 10:26:55 pm »

I got a dog I love. I can call her off but it takes a few times. I just wish she would roll out instead of waiting for the hog to be loaded. I had one get loose after getting caught and I think she was mad at me about it so she waits for the hog to get loaded before she goes back out. Maybe I should hunt her with yours a few times. If she sees that a dog found a hog without her she may decide to get back out for more faster.
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« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2013, 10:39:40 pm »

I got a dog I love. I can call her off but it takes a few times. I just wish she would roll out instead of waiting for the hog to be loaded. I had one get loose after getting caught and I think she was mad at me about it so she waits for the hog to get loaded before she goes back out. Maybe I should hunt her with yours a few times. If she sees that a dog found a hog without her she may decide to get back out for more faster.
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« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2013, 10:48:53 pm »

I think it has to do with alot of verbal training with the dog. Only dog I can call off is my main CD it's like he speaks English. I have actually called him off a pig he was chasing because it was a small one that ran out past us after I cut him loose. I hollerd at him and he came back (looking pissed off that I didn't let him go after it) but there was a bigger hog in the thicket that was bayed. On the other hand I have a redtick that don't listen for crap if he's on a track, I have to cut him off if he's hunting hard. But I don't have to worry about him rolling out on hogs cuz he will be caught on the pig like a bulldog.
Just keep practicing verbal commands over and over and try what Charles said.
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« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2013, 11:35:28 pm »

The best way to teach a dog to call off is in a pen on hogs with a bull whip or when their pups start them baying on cattle and call them off with a bull whip. Just holler come here or get out real loud a couple times and when they don't call off you need to crack the whip right above their head. If they don't quit baying then swat them on the butt with the whip and then crack it above their head again. I'm not saying to pop them with the whip. Just slap them with it on the butt. It should'nt take long and most will call off. Another thing that works good is to holler real loud " WOOOO ", several times before you feed them and after a while they will associate that sound with food and most dogs will learn to come to you so they can go home and eat. Either way you have to associate calling off with a loud sound that they can hear from a long distance away.

I don't believe she is making the hogs into runners. She is doing what she is supposed to do and that is show some bottom and stick with a runner. Be careful what you ask for though. Whenever you start calling off a dog that will roll off a caught hog then they will usually become shorter ranged or start hanging around and waiting for you to make the first move. I like to have cow dogs that I can call off in case they get on the wrong cows but I really don't care if my hog dogs will call off or not. I don't want to do anything that will sacrafice hunt or range. I have seen dogs that were so hard headed and gamey that it did'nt matter what you did they were'nt going to quit until they were ready. Alot of people will disagree with me but I like that trait in a hog dog. I want a dog that wants to hunt.
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« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2013, 07:38:35 am »

Drake when you bay a hog catch it.  If the dogs rolls out and bays again go and catch that one. Keeping them from running is finishing everything your dogs get on.  Thats the problem today i think, we have too many people with dogs that strike hogs but not everyone has dogs that will finish a hog...
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« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2013, 10:45:20 am »

all my bay dogs have been taught to roll out , craig had a dog named annie , she would flat hunt and roll out after the hog was caught , most of the time you never seen her , hell to catch , she wanted more , I hunted a female with this dog , before long they would all roll out , the problem I found was the people I invited , some one would bring a pup or two , maybe a cull  not bashing just saying , not every hunter in the party has the same veiws or train the same way , so at the bay there wanting there pups to get on in the action and Im telling mine to roll out , there dogs still barking at the hog , there mad because they see you yelling at the dogs and they dont see it the same , there new let them chew , it screws up the whole program , its hard to train dogs when there running with others with no handle or wont listen , or there owners dont have the same ideas , everyone needs to have the same veiws in a hunting party and understand why you are saying roll out , and another problem I think is a lot of people leave there dogs in the pin and only mess with when hunting the rest of the time no bonding no teaching handle or nothing ( ive got hog dogs LOL ) so all they got is a pain in the a$$ dog that dont know its name , no handle , biting dogs , its hard to teach anything i8n this atmosphere, screws everything up JMO
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« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2013, 11:45:06 am »

I have always said I never wanted a dog I could call off. Seen folks get hurt because of this. Somebody said the word used for the command and got injured because of it. I rather have a dog that waits for me to say hunt em up after the hog was under control rather then roll out as soon as the catch hit or it saw us coming in. With that said I did have a dog we had to sneak in on and catch before touching the hog unless we wanted to keep going. As he got to were as soon as we had touched the hog he would roll out and not stop till he found another hog or 4 lol.
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« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2013, 02:51:45 pm »

Rolling out and calling off are two completely different things or at least it is for me. Calling off I thought was getting the dog to back up and not bay. Rolling out is soon as the bulldog and you get there then the dog leaves out. If your on a heard the dog just sticks with them and does t worry about sticking aroun for the bulldog. Or at least that's wht my gyp does and I've been told she rolls out and that's my perseption of a dog that rolls out.
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« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2013, 03:25:14 pm »

I trained mine to call out when they were young. If they don't lisren now all I have to do is hit the vibrate button and they are coming.
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« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2013, 09:43:01 pm »

Rolling out and calling off are two completely different things or at least it is for me. Calling off I thought was getting the dog to back up and not bay. Rolling out is soon as the bulldog and you get there then the dog leaves out. If your on a heard the dog just sticks with them and does t worry about sticking aroun for the bulldog. Or at least that's wht my gyp does and I've been told she rolls out and that's my perseption of a dog that rolls out.

Your perception of rolling out is correct. Calling off can either be calling them off a bayed hog like what your were talking about above or calling them off a track they are running or just calling them back to you when you are tired of hunting and want to go home.
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« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2013, 09:59:56 pm »

I wish more of my dogs would roll out with her there would be more caught hogs.

If you have any young prospects or dogs she gets along with kennel them together. I dont know if it will work everytime but I know it worked for me in the past and has worked for a buddy as well.
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« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2013, 10:09:57 pm »

I would be real happy if my dogs would roll out and call off. As far as someone else calling my dog I don't think it would work. I call my dogs by name as I feed them so they learn to come when called. If the wrong dog comes I push them back. I also call them to their kennel doors one at a time. If I call their name they better come. If you call their name they better not listen. But my problem is my gyp wants to own the hog. Instead of numbers she don't want to give up a hog. In a dream world when the catch dog went in she would come out and check in and then off to hunting again. I would be real happy if they would do that.

But I got other breeding goals right now. We will see how my first shot went in a few months. But I think I got a pair that will catch some pork but only caught hogs will tell. They sure are tearing everything else up for.
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