Trashy hog dogs

[Reuben]

Dogs without a handle get a bullet

Dogs without handle just need more work.  Feel free to drop your dogs off that trash at my house

I agree with dogs,hogs,coons...usually a dog with no handle is that way because of human mistakes...

[KevinN]

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[monster]

I would rather save my bullets for bad men...not bad dogs.  

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[Dogs,hogs,coons]

I also am a firm believer in positive reinforcement. Be strict with your dogs but loosen up on them a little. They're smarter than we give them credit for. Yes I do believe you must get on their tail when they screw up. But don't be like some hunters I know that'll sit there and beat a dog half to death. When they do something good praise them their meant to be your friends. If they don't trust you then how can you trust them?  Then you get dogs that you cant ever catch. Remember a dog is rarely ever "FINISHED" there always in the training. Just some more advanced than others. Atleast on my yard this applies. Not telling anyone how to train there dogs just my 2 cents.

[Shotgun wg]

I was asked to run the place i went and i told the man my dogs had never seen a cow or horse so i was nervouse about hunting his place. he said he would put the cows and horses. when i got there he had not. i reiterated my concern and was told go ahead.  I have said time and time again most wouldn't feed my dogs. I am working on them to make decent dogs. I learned Sunday to stay away from cows until I can get them broke off them. 2 came off fairly quick. My crazy male redbone was another story he didn't want to leave them but had no plans of putting teeth on one either. My ridgeback wanted to mess with them but lost intrest after a bit. He is hard to catch when u first drop him and had only been on the ground a lil while so this added to the problem. At this point my dogs will find and catch hogs. Trash breaking is a work in progress.

I didn't leave u hanging 98 my phone died.

[Dogs,hogs,coons]

I was asked to run the place

I wish I was asked to run places more often

[Shotgun wg]

I know a lot of folks. This guy I've known for 16 or 17 years. Most of the places I get asked to run is more on a personal reputation than quality of my dogs. These folks know I will not touch nothing and am only gonna kill a hog. They also know I will not return unless asked or told to hunt at will. I don't have a lot of places to hunt at all. But the places I can hunt I tread lightly and honor my word.

[Irondog87]

This is the reason we carry pistols hunting. Pistol is good for shooting when u get in a bind but its a good (humane) way to cull dogs too. Good luck on trash breaking them dogs. At least they got u a hog after screwing up.

[Lance]

Most hog dogs originally come from old cow dog blood. It's in their nature to bay cows ! Now granted they need to be broke off of cows if you are hunting hogs with them, especially in areas where land owners are touchy about their cows. But to make statements along the lines of , you are giving hog hunters a bad name or if they were my dogs I would of culled them is ridiculous. It's just my opinion but most people are rougher on other peoples dogs than they are on their own. They say you should do this to your dog or you should do that to your dog but don't hold their own dogs to the same standards that they tell other people that they should. I've heard my dad say several times over the years that a dog that will not bay a cow, bay a horse, run a deer, or kill a chicken more than likely won't turn out to be worth the bullet it would take to kill it. I've seen dogs with great handles that still make their owners look like fools from time to time. Chit happens. Nothing will make you look like a liar quicker than a dog or a horse. Maybe I'm just being a little touchy because I grew up with cow dogs before I started hunting hogs and most folks around here love a good cow dog but I can't help but think that if everyone actually culled for everything that they say they culled for then there would not be near as many so called "hog dogs" in the woods or on the dog trade. I'm hard on my dogs and hold them to a high standard but the standard is based on common sense. This is just my opinion and I don't care if anyone else agrees with it or not.

[williamsld]

Most hog dogs originally come from old cow dog blood. It's in their nature to bay cows ! Now granted they need to be broke off of cows if you are hunting hogs with them, especially in areas where land owners are touchy about their cows. But to make statements along the lines of , you are giving hog hunters a bad name or if they were my dogs I would of culled them is ridiculous. It's just my opinion but most people are rougher on other peoples dogs than they are on their own. They say you should do this to your dog or you should do that to your dog but don't hold their own dogs to the same standards that they tell other people that they should. I've heard my dad say several times over the years that a dog that will not bay a cow, bay a horse, run a deer, or kill a chicken more than likely won't turn out to be worth the bullet it would take to kill it. I've seen dogs with great handles that still make their owners look like fools from time to time. Chit happens. Nothing will make you look like a liar quicker than a dog or a horse. Maybe I'm just being a little touchy because I grew up with cow dogs before I started hunting hogs and most folks around here love a good cow dog but I can't help but think that if everyone actually culled for everything that they say they culled for then there would not be near as many so called "hog dogs" in the woods or on the dog trade. I'm hard on my dogs and hold them to a high standard but the standard is based on common sense. This is just my opinion and I don't care if anyone else agrees with it or not.

X2 couldn't agree more

[T-Bob Parker]

Hell, no need to cull them just for getting into cows, whoop em, scald em and move on with life. Breedem to go, whoop em to whoa.


Now, KevinN, you do what suits you, but the cur dogs I'm used to dealing with don't exactly make Lovet dovey family pets just because they won't hunt. They still usually have way to much uumpf to just act like their no different than a Labrador.

 Outside of that lil fact;
#1 if you are keeping very high standards, you will quickly run out of folks to give "pets" to.
#2 why would you give somebody you like a dog that you don't? You'll end up having to hunt with those boys and just be cussin yourself the whole time that they brought those crappy dogs you gave them along. Lol
#3 a fella who routinely pawns culls off on other hunters, even for free, develops a certain reputation with his fellow hunter as a fellow who's producing crappy dogs
#4 non hunters don't understand the needs of performance bred cur dogs and you are setting your "friends" up for possible lawsuits or even physical danger when you give a dog who is capable of flipping the switch to an owner who doesn't no where the breaker box is.

No disrespect intended as I think your a pretty nice fello,
But I firmly believe that after a certain amount of time most dog folks discover the nasty truth and realize culling IS the best, safest, and most humane solution.

[Lance]

I agree with not sending them to pet homes. A cull is a cull and the the best thing for them is as you say " a sharp shovel ". They're hunting dogs and if they don't make a good hunting dog then they should go to the sweet doggy heaven in the sky. I usually start 5 or 6 dogs a year and very few make the cut. I don't send them to pet homes and I don't give them to hunting friends because I don't want to have to hunt with them again later. I've still got 3 dogs out of the last 15 -20 pups that I've started and they are still walking on thin ice. But one thing that I will not cull for alone is baying cows. It's bred into them and I've never seen one that I could'nt break off of cows with a little time.

[TexasHogDogs]

Same here Lance I have never had one I could not get off cows .  But if I could not I would hope some Cowboy are Cow people would have a use for him if not then .

[chads7376]

Hell, no need to cull them just for getting into cows, whoop em, scald em and move on with life. Breedem to go, whoop em to whoa.


Now, KevinN, you do what suits you, but the cur dogs I'm used to dealing with don't exactly make Lovet dovey family pets just because they won't hunt. They still usually have way to much uumpf to just act like their no different than a Labrador.

 Outside of that lil fact;
#1 if you are keeping very high standards, you will quickly run out of folks to give "pets" to.
#2 why would you give somebody you like a dog that you don't? You'll end up having to hunt with those boys and just be cussin yourself the whole time that they brought those crappy dogs you gave them along. Lol
#3 a fella who routinely pawns culls off on other hunters, even for free, develops a certain reputation with his fellow hunter as a fellow who's producing crappy dogs
#4 non hunters don't understand the needs of performance bred cur dogs and you are setting your "friends" up for possible lawsuits or even physical danger when you give a dog who is capable of flipping the switch to an owner who doesn't no where the breaker box is.

No disrespect intended as I think your a pretty nice fello,
But I firmly believe that after a certain amount of time most dog folks discover the nasty truth and realize culling IS the best, safest, and most humane solution.

Now I agree with ya to an extent Tbob but I have personally gave away a few dogs that IMO were better than many supposed finished dogs I have hunted behind. You and myself have to remember one mans cull could be another mans "finished dog"

[chads7376]

and vise versa

[Reuben]

Most hog dogs originally come from old cow dog blood. It's in their nature to bay cows ! Now granted they need to be broke off of cows if you are hunting hogs with them, especially in areas where land owners are touchy about their cows. But to make statements along the lines of , you are giving hog hunters a bad name or if they were my dogs I would of culled them is ridiculous. It's just my opinion but most people are rougher on other peoples dogs than they are on their own. They say you should do this to your dog or you should do that to your dog but don't hold their own dogs to the same standards that they tell other people that they should. I've heard my dad say several times over the years that a dog that will not bay a cow, bay a horse, run a deer, or kill a chicken more than likely won't turn out to be worth the bullet it would take to kill it. I've seen dogs with great handles that still make their owners look like fools from time to time. Chit happens. Nothing will make you look like a liar quicker than a dog or a horse. Maybe I'm just being a little touchy because I grew up with cow dogs before I started hunting hogs and most folks around here love a good cow dog but I can't help but think that if everyone actually culled for everything that they say they culled for then there would not be near as many so called "hog dogs" in the woods or on the dog trade. I'm hard on my dogs and hold them to a high standard but the standard is based on common sense. This is just my opinion and I don't care if anyone else agrees with it or not.

there is a big difference in what I call a cull and a trashy dog...I love a 6-8 month old super trashy pup...especially if he don't give up a deer race and he is running alone on a dark and moonless night...cause I know he has potential to make a good hog dog...

[williamsld]

the best hog dog we've ever owned was the trashiest pup in the world would trash on everything in front of him but it just takes effort to brake them rather than just cull them you'll have a hell of a dog if you'd just work with them

[hogdogger98]

Y'all have never saw a post where I talked crap. There are a whole bunch of folks that would love to have the dog that caught the cow. As I said I don't hunt around cows didn't know there were cows there. While y'all are culling dog I'll still be catching hogs.

[reatj81]

The ones I cull would not be fit to make a pet, no one wants a dog as a pet that is always claiming out, digging out and running off getting into stuff they shouldn't!    I have 2 pups that are trashy as trashy gets.  At around 5/6 months I finally got them broke from killing chickens.   I left them loose until they start getting into to much trouble.   They usually start baying roping calves at around 6-10 weeks and I allow this until about a month before I start hunting them. I think it's good for them to learn how to work livestock.  The two I have now are super trashy, they are finally starting to get a bit of a handle in them.   I only drop one pup at a time.  This helps a lot on how much they tend to trash..... And if they do I can usually correct by raising my voice! They might not no what they are doing wrong but they no when I say (get out)  it means STOP NOW!!!     Only dropping one pup at a time eliminates most problems!   If 1 does mess up they can easily be called off if you have 2-3 messing up, they are deaf, they feed off each other!!  You can ruin a old solid dog fast with a bunch of trashy dogs if your not careful.   Dogs are pack animals and feed of each other!    I try real hard to be smarter than my dogs!!! Often this is a challenge, trying to set them up for success and not failure.....

[T-Bob Parker]

Y'all have never saw a post where I talked crap. There are a whole bunch of folks that would love to have the dog that caught the cow. As I said I don't hunt around cows didn't know there were cows there. While y'all are culling dog I'll still be catching hogs.

For the sake of clarity, I ain't telling you to cull your dogs at all, just addressing another issue that was brought up.