rueben

[cantexduck]

   Your talk about the past breeding you have done sparked a question. Why don't you continue the line you started way back when ? Aren't you starting over with new dogs right now ?

[Reuben]

this can get real long but I will try to keep it short...  in 2007 after I retired from the big company I thought I would travel quite a bit and couldn't leave a bunch of dogs alone and I didn't want to be tied down...that was a small part of it...

but around those times I never talked about how I bred dogs and never talked about all the cow and horse meds I used on dogs... all that was top secret and a few dogs went to a few friends and the left overs went way down south...I usually kept all pups and culled down to 3 or 4 pups...

I had lost a very good dog to cancer and another was put down because of a severe jaw break...the only female I had left I bred and all males were born...was hoping to get a few females but did not...the bitch was gritty and as good as one can be but too much drive and grit...she bayed and stopped 4 hogs and was on the fifth when I had to take a dog to the truck because he had caught one of the boars and needed to be put up...when I got back she was dead from heat exhaustion and that left me without a female and I didn't care to breed outside...I gave away an older male and I sold the three pups I had that were really coming on strong...one was as good as the best I have had...sold all three for 500 dollars package deal and gave away all my kennels and my wife cried...said I was making a mistake and I sure as hell did...took me years to find the right dogs and once I did it was pretty easy...in 2010 I decided to get back in but will never spend the money I did then...since then I culled 2 mt cur gyps, 2 pitbulls, 2 more mt curs, another mt cur, and I finally have two 1/2 parker 1/2 kemmer pups that are coming on at an acceptable pace...I have a 1/2 redbone 1/2 bull dog that is pretty good...another buddy of mine that has almost the exact same bloodline as my old dogs gave me 2 young dogs...they are bred to look and hunt different than my old line but they look like his dogs but these 2 hunt more like my old line of dogs because they came out like their grandfather who came off my yard...the male pup has one nut and his bark is a little weak and he has a little longer hair than I like...other than that he is a gritty hard hunting fool...  I have high hopes for the breeding potential of his sister...she is small as well with a weak bark but I like what is in her...sometimes you have to look at the family and not at the dog...

the other buddy of mine has 2 dogs that are very good hog dogs and have lots of my old dogs blood but they seem to be sterile...bred to one and no pups... ???thinking about getting him checked out because that would get me close to what I had...these 2 dogs have the size and the hunt and grit...and no quit...

2 more females out there that have 1/2 the blood but they are not for sale...but I did get one pup 2 days ago so he is 1/4 my old line...not very good as far as trying to recuperate my old blood but will take what I can get...the man was kind enough to call me and give the pup to me...the other 3/4 is from his best bmc dogs so I am good with it...I picked a pup that looked and acted like certain dogs I had...hoping that he got more of that dogs genes...the 1/4 mt cur in him is from a top super inbred dog I owned at one time...

I picked parker and kemmer because I have heard lots of really good comments on the parkers and I do know what the kemmers are capable of...but I like OMCBA better just not the right ones close by...

OH, I also was buying an old OMCBA female that was 11 years old of the best bloodlines around and was having her bred to a 3 time world champion mt cur and she did not take...luckily the man didn't charge me for the female since she didn't take...

the last litter I raised one died of heat exhaustion, one from a hog, one from possibly heat exhaustion or hog, one was stolen and the other sold on here...I was looking for this dog on here and this is how I found this site...

but like I said...I want to breed a few good to great dogs but to use them as my first priority and not to create a line of dogs but to move slowly in that direction...got to keep the cost down and I really don't hunt like I used to anyways...getting older and slowing down some...hunting spots are harder to find and having to travel to them really sucks...

as you can see it has been a long up hill climb trying to get some good dogs going...the dogs I have now I am happy with but not excited about...they are not the kind of dogs that I can say will breed and produce consistency at this time...

what I do like is talking about breeding dogs and helping the up and comers on breeding better dogs and having less culls per litter...

if I had a lot of money and some nice hunting spots I would go find the best dogs for hunting hog and the best catch dogs and would breed a line of strike dogs and a line of catch dogs...all the trial and errors are behind me and I could move forward in a hurry...cause breeding better dogs is my real passion...

[BigCutters4]

That was a great story thanks for sharing ,I know exactly what you mean about breeding and talking breeding dogs I love those types of post .I'm always trying to better my dogs and I always think there is better dogs out there I like to push digs to the limit to get the best out of them .my brain is always thinking about breeding dogs some pep think I'm nuts Lol  but that's just what I like.

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[cantexduck]

 Sounds like a rough new beginning. Thanks for the reply. I had always wondered what happened to the dogs you bred in the past .

[jimco]

  Reuben, your like old E.F. Hutton .  " When E.F. Hutton talks, people listen." 

               

[Hillbilly Safari]

I live about 10 Minutes from the OMCBA club house  if you dont mind me asking what line of OMC did you have ?

[reatj81]

Always trying to absorb the knowledge, it is very helpful to confirm, or trash many of my thoughts and plans.   Ruban I have found useful knowledge hard to come by. More often than not when the knowledge is available it is not spoken where it can be understood.  You do an excellent job with your words being able to convey and express them.

Thanks

[mike rogers]

Great story Reuben.  Boy it's soooo hard to get back what you had.  I'm try'n to get the leopard curs of the 60's, 70's and early 80's.  You cant hardly find one like those old dogs now.  It takes a lot of time.

[justincorbell]

Always trying to absorb the knowledge, it is very helpful to confirm, or trash many of my thoughts and plans.   Ruban I have found useful knowledge hard to come by. More often than not when the knowledge is available it is not spoken where it can be understood.  You do an excellent job with your words being able to convey and express them.

Thanks

X's 2 on that! Never met him but there's no doubt in my mind Mr. Reuben is good people.

[Reuben]

Guys...thanks for the kind words...took me a little while to respond cause I was waiting for my day off... 

Hillbilly Safari...when I finally decided to breed mt cur dogs I went to Louisiana and Mississippi and other places and still got screwed around...I was sold a truck load of culls but from good bloodlines...Finally got a good kemmer gyp out of Ronnie's Old Trouble who was out of Gold Nugget...A dog known for hunt and nose...

I named that pup Goldie and I bred her twice once to a Texas Smoke dog I named Nugget...A nice red gold colored dog...I bought nugget from a man close to San Antonio who loved the Texas Smoke Dog as I did...This man was about 80 years old when I first met him (HB White) and he had some nice looking big mt curs and some good sized ones like I liked...The dam to nugget was a daughter to the Original Texas Smoke and one of his best daughters Texas Smokette...so that made her 3/4 Texas Smoke and I offered to buy this old bitch cause she had some good looking solid red pups and I also wanted that line pretty bad...

Long story short a couple years later I bought her and bred her twice she was bred to a a grandson Of the Original kemmers gold nugget grandson whom was extremely line bred gold nugget and that dog was a top coon dog and almost bigger than what I liked...

I also bred her to a dog I had that was out of Goldie and Yeller I had named Buck Yeller was 1/2 bmc and 1/2 OMCBA mt cur and probably the best dog I ever owned...But I only bred him once...Yeller's dam was out of San Antonio area from a man named AC Zoeller who also bred race horses...he had some of the best looking mt curs I ever laid eyes on...I bought some good dogs from AC and Yellers dam was named dragon lady a hi tanned mt cur...her brother was as good a dog as you would see and I had named him Smokie and I gave him to my brother...Ac had been ill and in and out of the hospital so the pups were about 8 months old and kind of wild...they were running loose at the farm and they were treeing cats and running rabbits...I asked who he thought was the very best and he pointed out Smokie and he she was...I turned them pups loose in the woods the first time and we caught 2 pigs...morning hunt and afternoon hunt and I couldn't pull them off of the track...it was too thick to head them off or catch them...so I picked them up the next morning...AC was well to do so money wasn't a problem...He went to a big hunt in Tennessee and bout 5 or 6 young dogs that won the hunts or swim races and had looks...that was how he had started his breeding program...that is how I got the idea to test my dogs for swimming and liking to hit the water if needed...I quit looking at those traits when the gators started getting bad...

long story short I used Ac's dogs HBs Texas Smoke line of dogs with some Kemmer, but of the kemmer mostly the gold nugget breeding...just used this mixture more than anything else...

Ac's dogs were hard hunting with no quit and slightly larger than some of the average sized mt curs and they had some grit...the kemmer gold nugget line brought some decent size and excellent winding nose with some grit and the Texas Smoke line brought hard and fast hunting dogs with a lot of grit...also were the quieter ones on track...

I bred dragon lady once. Goldie twice and I bred Tut Tut twice but would have liked to have bred her more but age got her...Tut was the 3/4 Texas Smoke bitch...

The dog below is first level briar mt dude call name dude...I saw this dog in the full cry magazine and made a call and found the owner...he looks quite a bit like a few that I had...I also called the man that bred that dog and I liked what he said about his dogs...he is a good sized dog that hunts close but will keep ranging out until he finds game...a fast hunter and now he is 3 times world champion...my plan was to buy a female out of him and breed her back to him...but at this time in my game of life I am not making the trip nor spending the money but it was a good thought...  but I sure do like that dog...

as far as knowing the great dogs of today I don't...but there is 4 or 5 I know that are what I like but only what I see and read on the net...some are from the old famous mt cur dogs...

 

[reatj81]

Wow he has all the tools I look for in confirmation.   
As the old man said "boy that wasn't no accident"

[Hillbilly Safari]

Rueben I hunted with Dude a year or so ago in the spring classic squirrel hunt when Joey was hunting him  my cousin has a world champion dog that is out of a dudes litter mate brother "Tree Knockin Ammo" would be his name he has the same build as Dude. ill send you a pm with my number I might be able to help you find a puppy if you would still like one...

[Reuben]

thanks, please send me the info...another scenario is buying a daughter that hunts hard and wants game but one that is a cull because she won't tree...

thanks again...

[Reuben]

Joey and I had made a deal on getting and old OMCBA bitch bred and then I was going to go pick her up in Tennessee but she didn't take so the deal was canceled as per our agreement...Joey was about as honest as can be and his word was just as good...

[Reuben]

forgot to mention that the agreement was breeding her to Dude...my original plan was to take a pup from that cross and breed back to Dude...I figured that would be a shortcut to producing the type of hog dogs I prefer...

[parker]

thats a real nice looking dog ...  looks like a good bit of plot  in him maybe  not  but sure looks it ......  consistancey comes from born in instinct ..... is there any good hogdogs out of this dog ? ......

[Reuben]

Rueben I hunted with Dude a year or so ago in the spring classic squirrel hunt when Joey was hunting him  my cousin has a world champion dog that is out of a dudes litter mate brother "Tree Knockin Ammo" would be his name he has the same build as Dude. ill send you a pm with my number I might be able to help you find a puppy if you would still like one...

Hillbilly Safari...thanks for the help and I will get with you...I have your number saved...but truthfully I have some decent dogs right now so my plans have changed but the temptation is great...  I was really wanting that Dude cross (3/4 Dude) because of all the culls I was getting...but I also really liked what I had heard on the Dude dog as well as on some of his siblings...and the looks had a lot to do with it as well...

Larry...don't know of any hog dogs from that line but a few things I ask to decide if it is worth the trouble...one of the first questions is if he is a coon dog for trailing/tracking...will he fight and kill a coon is another...how far will he range and is he a fast hunter...this dog will get as deep as needed to tree a coon or a squirrel and he has a very good winding nose...sounds just like the dogs I used to keep...

but I do remember you telling me that your blackie dog that you built your program around was probably not a hog dog line...correct me if I am wrong...