TP&W Hog poison

[Chad Taylor]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GigpxLNbgeg&feature=youtu.be
What do all think of this?

[Peachcreek]

I hope it dont come to that but i bet it will

[BigAbner]

[I think it is BS. Someone with a 2 acre tract could kill all the hogs on a 3,000 acre hunting operation. I would be the first to donate to a fund to sue the land owner and the TP&W. Not everyone objects to the hogs. I hate PETA, but where are they when you need them.
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[djhogdogger]

Clearly hogs need to be controlled in some areas but I dont see how poison will work without major backlash. We help keep hogs under control on a couple of different farms and it isnt by catching most of the hogs, its by sending the dogs in to harrass the hogs. In the process of catching hogs with dogs, the hogs begin to feel threatened if enough pressure is put on them and they will retreat to the woods and hunting leases that neighbor the farms. It has worked very well for the farm that we have hunted since 2008 and the new one that we just started this year.

[justincorbell]

I hope it dont come to that but i bet it will

sadly I agree with you.

[boone823]

Makes me sick.   I see them doing it too

[halfbreed]

  ya'll act surprised .  where have you been the last ten years  lol  .  they have been working on this that long and longer . all they are waiting on is an approved tried and tested delivery system that will only target hogs and it looks like they have about got it nailed down . the days of recreational hog hunting is just about over . if all you doggers would get busy and show them that you can in fact kill off to a controllable number the hogs that are running around texas the need to poison won't be there . get busy and start killing off some of these critters and report your take to the ag commission and tp&w  .  attend some of the seminars and voice your opinions they have them frequently . might even pick up some new propertys to hunt in the process . when they start a poison program is when the tahc will get busy enforcing all their laws as well .  good luck and pay attention to the big picture these farmers and ranchers have just about had enough of these dang hogs  .

[Chad Taylor]

  ya'll act surprised .  where have you been the last ten years  lol  .  they have been working on this that long and longer . all they are waiting on is an approved tried and tested delivery system that will only target hogs and it looks like they have about got it nailed down . the days of recreational hog hunting is just about over . if all you doggers would get busy and show them that you can in fact kill off to a controllable number the hogs that are running around texas the need to poison won't be there . get busy and start killing off some of these critters and report your take to the ag commission and tp&w  .  attend some of the seminars and voice your opinions they have them frequently . might even pick up some new propertys to hunt in the process . when they start a poison program is when the tahc will get busy enforcing all their laws as well .  good luck and pay attention to the big picture these farmers and ranchers have just about had enough of these dang hogs  .

Halfbreed is right yall will loose the right to hunt them as we have in tn if yall do not get your act together even I am a member of Texas Dog Hunters Association.

[charles]

 mr whitten, I agree with u, but its kinda hard to aquire land in some areas bc of few bad apples spoiling for the rest. I had access to 500ac tract that butted up against another guys 1200ac tract and that butted up to 200ac tract and bc of a group of hunter, deer and hog hunter WITH RIFLES!!!!!, NO dogs, cutting fences. the 1200ac n 200ac owners said NOOOOOOO to allowing ANY form of hunting on their properties. I see their point of view and would possibly do the same if I were in their shoes. I even offered to ride the fences, mend any that looked to be frale or falling apart, help tend the land n animals or anything the land owner ask of me and it was still NO. I didn't want to hunt the for free, I would been gladly to earn my keep on the land, but some a hole hunters ruined it for other for the time being. 1 of the guys said he would talk it over with the adjacent land owner and other in the area, and get back with me. that was a wk ago. I don't expect to to hear back. so in reguard  to gettn out n making a positive name for urself n catchin n dispatching the hogs to get them under control, how pra-tell do u go about doin that when a holes hav ruined it before u?

[BigAbner]

Prior to the 1930s hogs were free ranged all over the US with no major problems, people were hungry and ate them. It's a recent thing that hogs have become a problem, people just aren't hungry enough to take advantage of the hogs in their back yard, a condition that wouldn't have happened in by gone years. Maybe the biggest influence has been the massive number of farms and ranches that have been bought for recreational purposes, land management practices have changed giving hogs places to expand their numbers. These lands have been shut off to outside hunters that aren't willing to pay a fee, as a consequence hog numbers have skyrocketed. I hear all the whining and crying by ranchers and farmers, but those same farmers and ranchers are unwilling to allow hunters to come on their properties to eliminate or control the problem. By the way, I own 1280 acres that I run cattle on and I control my hogs myself and with the help of friends. We tied a hog (a bred sow) last night in a short run in this heat. My taking a hog here and a hog there adds up to a lot of hogs through the course of a year. If people want to own land then they should control their own hog numbers and not take the easy route of throwing out some poison in whatever form it takes.

On the economic side, the government always likes to pad numbers so they can justify their jobs and research project. They got their helicopter hunting and friends of mine in West Texas have had no end of problems from aerial trespassing to livestock ran through fences including horses cut so bad they had to be put down.  No mention has been made of the positive value from hog hunting related activities. Think about it. How much money do you spend each year on dog hunting related activities from dogs, dog upkeep, guns, campers, motels, four wheelers, knives, corn, feeders, gasoline, dog boxes, the list goes on and on. Don't let your wife see this list. I would bet it would equal or exceed damages resulting from hogs.

The debate is just starting and a strong argument can be made that hogs have a positive or break even impact on the economy. It sets up a strong argument against any economic argument TP&G makes when asking for clearance to use whatever drug they decide on to kill hogs. Does the dangers associated with the use of a drug provide enough economic value to justify its use? If I were TP&G the legal repercussions from this would be enough to give me pause. It will end up in Federal Court and does any Texan want the Feds deciding your future. Well, that is where TP&G is taking it.    

[firemedic]

  ya'll act surprised .  where have you been the last ten years  lol  .  they have been working on this that long and longer . all they are waiting on is an approved tried and tested delivery system that will only target hogs and it looks like they have about got it nailed down . the days of recreational hog hunting is just about over . if all you doggers would get busy and show them that you can in fact kill off to a controllable number the hogs that are running around texas the need to poison won't be there . get busy and start killing off some of these critters and report your take to the ag commission and tp&w  .  attend some of the seminars and voice your opinions they have them frequently . might even pick up some new propertys to hunt in the process . when they start a poison program is when the tahc will get busy enforcing all their laws as well .  good luck and pay attention to the big picture these farmers and ranchers have just about had enough of these dang hogs  .

X2.....Halfbreed is absolutely correct in my opinion. All these 'never kill a hog' people are going to be singin' the blues one day. It's not hard to understand if you just step back and look at it. The state, regardless of which one, has no regard for us hog doggers,....we are a problem and they don't like it. Therefore if given a chance to radically reduce the hog population and put us out of business, they will...simple as that.
We run into the same thing in south GA where we hunt so much,....locals don't like us because we KILL hogs,....and some years a lot of hogs. Yet there still exists an expanding population of hogs there, we have had little impact on that.....but it looks good to the farmers and that's why we get to hunt the places we do. We get caught sneaking out a live hog and that'll be it.....no more hunting that place or any others around there. I'm not from TX and don't hunt there, so my opinion is a bit biased to the SE part of the country....but a hog is a hog, and if we don't make a showing in reducing the population where it's a big problem, then the state WILL as soon as possible.

[b.b.b kennels]

The last major feral hog workshop around South Texas was in Floresville the last day of May. Numbers shown from a poll of hog hunters, farmers and ranchers, and T.P&W showed that hog doggers made up 6% of the total mortality from hogs in the census (Trapping was around 25% I think).  Now between all the folks on this board and all the dog boxes you see driving around the country, I have a hard time believing this. Problem is people aren't keeping records and communicating with their local Extension offices. Like halfbreed said, ya'll got to get heard. Look at the big game hound hunters. In number they probably make up the smallest percentage of hunter groups in the nation but do one of the best jobs of communicating to their local officials and making damn sure they obey the rules and regs of their states.  Ask a game warden in one of the Western States that still allows hounds to take bear and cat to name the local dog men in the area and I bet you get a spot on list of just about all the serious ones. Ask one in a South Texas county to name the local hog doggers and I would guarantee you wouldn't even get a third of the people hog hunting there on that list.  Communicate. If you're not reporting what you kill and when, then it looks like your methods aren't effective and therefore you are expendable. Your extension agents and game wardens are much more apt to stick up for your cause if they know you personally instead of just passing you on the road and seeing a dog box.

As for the poison, they said at the convention it's still at least 5 years down the pipe and will only be available to the Big Time farmers in very isolated areas.

[firemedic]

I've been out West and b. b. b. is spot on that the wardens know all the dog hunter/ hound men in their area. Now I'll add that there aren't near as many of them in any given region as there are hog doggers in any region say in TX. I just have to ask why our sport of hog hunting with dogs draws so many rogues and undesirables? I mean.....just read the posts on here.....somebody is always saying someone they 'thought' was a friend slipped in on their hunting spot and pissed the ranch owner off and now nobody gets to hunt it. Dog men out West don't have that problem.....most, and I do mean most, are honest, law abiding hunters with a big dose of character thrown in. They take pride in their reputation and would just as soon shoot anyone that tries to ruin that. We need more of that in our sport......it's a shame that this style of hunting attracts these backwards cap wearing, butcher knife carrying, foul mouthed ass brains but it does......sure wish that wasn't so,.....and I don't know what we could do about it really. Just my thoughts.

[reatj81]

I've been out West and b. b. b. is spot on that the wardens know all the dog hunter/ hound men in their area. Now I'll add that there aren't near as many of them in any given region as there are hog doggers in any region say in TX. I just have to ask why our sport of hog hunting with dogs draws so many rogues and undesirables? I mean.....just read the posts on here.....somebody is always saying someone they 'thought' was a friend slipped in on their hunting spot and pissed the ranch owner off and now nobody gets to hunt it. Dog men out West don't have that problem.....most, and I do mean most, are honest, law abiding hunters with a big dose of character thrown in. They take pride in their reputation and would just as soon shoot anyone that tries to ruin that. We need more of that in our sport......it's a shame that this style of hunting attracts these backwards cap wearing, butcher knife carrying, foul mouthed ass brains but it does......sure wish that wasn't so,.....and I don't know what we could do about it really. Just my thoughts.

A person can go to the pound get a couple of dogs. go to their grandmothers, cousins, gram paws second nieces, neighbors 50 acers and catch a hog that is asleep in a mud hole.  And now they are hog hunters!
Bet it's not that easy for the big game hunters.

[b.b.b kennels]

{A person can go to the pound get a couple of dogs. go to their grandmothers, cousins, gram paws second nieces, neighbors 50 acers and catch a hog that is asleep in a mud hole.  And now they are hog hunters!
Bet it's not that easy for the big game hunters}

That's 100% true! In that case, the poison is the best thing to ever happen to the sport. Make someone have to go 7 times in a row and load up without catching anything, that'll show you pretty quick who's committed and who's just jacking around. Probably see a much better average of good dogs out there too... Less hogs means less hog hunters. Not a bad trade off IMO... would rather kill half the hogs I do now and deal with half the B.S that comes with the label of being a hog dog owner.

[hillbilly]

{A person can go to the pound get a couple of dogs. go to their grandmothers, cousins, gram paws second nieces, neighbors 50 acers and catch a hog that is asleep in a mud hole.  And now they are hog hunters!
Bet it's not that easy for the big game hunters}

That's 100% true! In that case, the poison is the best thing to ever happen to the sport. Make someone have to go 7 times in a row and load up without catching anything, that'll show you pretty quick who's committed and who's just jacking around. Probably see a much better average of good dogs out there too... Less hogs means less hog hunters. Not a bad trade off IMO... would rather kill half the hogs I do now and deal with half the B.S that comes with the label of being a hog dog owner.

Don't forget they think they are tuff when they catch a hog.
You are right if it was less hogs these fly by night hunters wouldn't be around.
JMO but I think the trophy deer hunters is why you can't get a lot of land to hunt and with all the feed they put out they are part of the problem

[AnotherRunner]

{A person can go to the pound get a couple of dogs. go to their grandmothers, cousins, gram paws second nieces, neighbors 50 acers and catch a hog that is asleep in a mud hole.  And now they are hog hunters!
Bet it's not that easy for the big game hunters}

That's 100% true! In that case, the poison is the best thing to ever happen to the sport. Make someone have to go 7 times in a row and load up without catching anything, that'll show you pretty quick who's committed and who's just jacking around. Probably see a much better average of good dogs out there too... Less hogs means less hog hunters. Not a bad trade off IMO... would rather kill half the hogs I do now and deal with half the B.S that comes with the label of being a hog dog owner.

Don't forget they think they are tuff when they catch a hog.
You are right if it was less hogs these fly by night hunters wouldn't be around.
JMO but I think the trophy deer hunters is why you can't get a lot of land to hunt and with all the feed they put out they are part of the problem

Hillbilly your opinion is exactly right. They dont want dogs claim it scares the deer away. Then they complain that the hogs is tearin up their feeders and eating up their corn.

[AnotherRunner]

I always see the signs "Hog hunters keep out" in my leases I guess they think the dogs can read;D those are the trails they like best

[dub]

From what I have seen anything a hog eats so does some other animal. They would be poisoning all kinds of animals. When putting out food for hogs there are always some other animals that eat some of it. Do they have some magic trick?

[charles]

From what I have seen anything a hog eats so does some other animal. They would be poisoning all kinds of animals. When putting out food for hogs there are always some other animals that eat some of it. Do they have some magic trick?

Of course they do, yaws government has ALL the RIGHT solutions and is NEVER wrong.