weatherford ben dogs

[jdt]

im trying to steer my new hunting buddy ( tennessee ) away from hounds , and towards curs! lol

   im partial to the foundation dogs and would like to get some more in the neighborhood , that way  we  wont have to travel all over the world to get replacements when one is lost .

   i ve had 4 of these dogs and was pleased with 3 of them , one was the best cowdog i ever used , one was just recently killed buy a hog 1/4 mile from where he was turned loose and my new pup is wanting to work at 2 1/2 months .

how many of you use this line of curs ?

 those of you that use this line or have hunted with them tell us what you like /dislike compared to other lines .

[hogtied]

I think they are good dogs, only had one, he was catchin everything that squeeled at 4 months old, runnin with the big dogs at 6 months old, and finding hogs at less than a year... he was just very very rough... he also did not suit me size wise, he was average height, about 45 pounds... I expected a bigger dog with more legs from what his parents looked like. He caught on quick and learned his job at an early age and learned it good, he loved it.... The size was not really an issue... the roughness was... just my experience with them, mayb I had a throw back or somethin... or mayb they are all that way its hard to say since thats the only one had or hunted. Even a bad yella dog is better than a good hound Just jokin hound hunters, I had my share of good hounds too... I finally saw the light though

[jdt]

thanks hogtied , your check is in the mail 

[crackerc]

I have a buddy that has a double bred W Ben female. She will hunt and find a hog but has no bite at all. He kept talking about 4-6 hour long "races". I went and hunted with him and hunted just her to see what she could do. She left and bayed a couple of hundred yards away. Then shut up and bayed a different place. She kept doing this, then finally kept barking but moving. Didn't sound like she was track barking though. This went on for hours, she kept moving and we just couldn't get close to her to start with.

We finally drove around and got ahead of her and I slipped into the swamp. She was walking next to a 125-150 lb hog and barking at him as he walked around. He had figured out the dog wasn't going to bite him and was just going where he pleased. Every now and then he would run at the dog, then just trot off.

We turned another dog to her, got the hog stopped and caught him. But, the female had been on this hog for over 4 hours.......thus the long "races".

I have heard of other W Ben dogs being gritty,like above,  I just haven't seen any myself.

I did know one guy that went to Randy Wrights house and bought 11 W Ben dogs at one time and paid a pile of money for them. Only one dog out of the 11 ever found a hog for him and that one hung itself on a  chain......so he wasn't real happy with those  dogs.

[Caughtandhobbled]

John, the pup I offered you is Ben Weatherford bred. The pups were working thier tales off at a very early age, I have video of "Jr" baying at barely 2 months old (@ 7 months he hunts hard). Bob "Jr's" brother is a house dog that sits, stays and will give me a hand shake plus retrieve. Needless to say I have too much at risk to hunt him (kids and wife love him more than me).... I wish you lived closer and I would gladly share a great line with you...Later Brother

[dgdawsonBMCs]

I use them out of his Weatherford Ben's son Yellow Jacket...The Jack line is very good on hogs, but some are a little too gritty and you have to teach them to back up early or they will be dead by a year old..My dogs are all in the 50-70 pound range, which is what I like..Really, when speaking of Weatherford's Ben dogs you are talking about 40 or so litters of dogs...They can come in many different packages and styles, depending on the females they were bred to.  I hunt with some guys that have used alot of them and pretty much culled all but the Jack line..Now, I want to be clear that I haven't owned anything but Jack dogs, so really can't speak about the others from personal experience...The jack dogs I have bred will start working very early....Never had one (out of 20 or so) that wouldn't bay a hog...Some of them make better find dogs than others, some get out pretty far, and some are short to medium range, and some are really gritty... Very athletic dogs that are high energy..

MY personal opinion of Randy Wright is that he had some awesome dogs in the early years, then he started breeding to everything and from what I have heard (only rumor, as I don't know him) he wasn't proving his dogs....In short, I would not buy a hog dog prospect from Randy Wright, as I have heard too many horror stories....However, there are plenty of people who got some of that stock back in that day that have jam up dogs...

The only thing I have bad to say about the Jack dogs is that some of them are a little more dog aggressive than I would like.  You have to be carful when breeding them or you will have to replace a bunch of dogs (if you hunt alot).  

[hogtied]

some are a little too gritty and you have to teach them to back up early or they will be dead by a year old..

that was the case with mine, he never learned, but yall are right, i have videos of him baying and trying to catch at 3 months in the woods, he learned fast, just never learned to back off and bay... he was not agressive towards dogs tho... Every line and every litter is gonna have different traits from time to time... mine would have been hell on wheels if he was not so gritty, and believe me i tried everything to stop him from it

[curdogsforhogs]

 I have a 16 month old Bne dog I traded a cat gyp for when he was 10 months old from a boy who used him for cows. Bill got a little rough on the cows  so the guy wanted a little less agressive cat gyp of mine to use. Best trade I evere made. I showed him his first hog and he went in on the 200lb boar with intent to catch but was made to stand back and bay. Won Puppy bay at field trial at 10 months old. Next month was in on his first hog and got cut good but never let go. Since that day he has been on every hog we have caught since.  He came from John Algiers and South River Curs in Fayetteville NC but is out of Randall Wrights stock.. He is gritty and will catch small less agressive hogs and will try on rough hogs. I like the grit even though I know he will pay for it sooner or later. Here in the Mountains of Sc we need dogs to stop the hogs from running... Bill is medium to long range, excellent nose, totally silent on track and when the hog breaks, and is not dog agressive at all. best natured dog I have ever owned..  I wish I had a yard full him and I am working towards just that. Just had a litter of pups from him and my ladner gyp. Keeping two male pups an d sold the rest.
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[AW]

I have a pair of foundation dogs and have hunted with others and I like the Rio Grande Blondie blood myself.

[tnhillbilly]

jdt,  I would like to get my hands on a few myself, that would be a little closer. i have never owned one but aint heard nothin but good bout them. there was a feller called bout some pups i had the other day, said he knew somebody that had some weatherford ben pups for sale in NC, let me see if i can find his number and give him a call to find out where they are, and if there are any left.

[curdogsforhogs]

I had some for sale but they were grade dogs. The sire is 37.5 percent Ben but he mother is a grade Ladner I have.  Sold everything befor they hit the ground. I did have a guy back out on a big male black faced pup but decided to keep it.

[ancuegar]

i have a 15 month old weatherford ben line male that is 56%.  if i remeber correct, yellow jacket is his grandsire.  he is the longest ranged dog we hunt.  we usually have to wait for him to come back before we go home.  i didnt start him till he was 1 yr old.  he hits the ground and is gone.  it aint nothing for him to stay anywhere from 400-800 yards out.  he has a ton of drive and is not gritty at all yet.  if we stop for any reason and he is around the truck, he rolls out again.  if you want to go home at that time, you better catch him or he will be gone again.  he is going to be the kind of dog that makes a short night long.  im very happy with him and he is also a dang good looking dog.  texasj wants to steal him from me.  my next dog will be from the ben line.
when i started him, he bayed every cow and javelina we came across.  i never shocked him or beat him when he trashed.  he broke himself.  now he can run through cows without making a sound. 

[curdogsforhogs]

Bill started as a cow dog and just got to rough thats when I got him. I try not to hunt around cows but have not tried to break him.

[hogtied]

good luck breaking him, mine was hard headed... purt near wore out a shock collar on him... nothin worked for me... I like the line, but they are rough

[curdogsforhogs]

Wouldnt take nothing for him justb the way he hunts now...I will just stay clear of the bulls.

[Texas_Cur]

This is Sambo. He is a 4 year old Foundation Cur.  Picked him up about 4 or 5 months ago, and he is by far our best dog.  He weighs about 65-70 pounds.  His range varies with the terrain and the dogs you run him with; he typically makes big loops getting out about 500-800 yards, but in the milo the GPS normally gives his distance in miles.  He is extremely catchy!  He is a great dog and I would like to have about 3 more of him. 

[make-em-squeel]

pm yellow dog or email him at curdogcox@yahoo.com he has the tightest bred weatherford ben dogs you can get, even john wayne ross the gentleman you register your curs with is on his waiting list. he is as honest a man as there is has all the info you will ever want about them. I have hunted with his dogs a hand full of times only to be impressed every time.

[Cull Buck]

I have a male that is a heavy ben breed dog.  He is gamey and usually hunts from 200-700 yards out.  If he hits any sign at all he's gone, like off the GPS gone in no time.  He's one of those dogs that you can cut loose and if he comes back after a while you can be confident there isn't a pig in the area.  He is a big male (70-75 lbs) and will try to catch out most of the time.  As a result, he takes a lot of shots, the vast majority of which are going to be in the chest.  He has been wearing a boar bib and that's helped out a bunch.  I'm told he was used a lead in catch dog at one point early in his life but would cur out on a big pig so that experiment was called off.  The key has been to pair him up with another big rough male.  Both are gonna try to catch out any way so having the other dog to take some of the heat off the other is a must.  

He is an extremely hard dog and it takes some FIRM feedback to make an impression on him.  He is what I would call a "one man dog" which I don't like but that only really shows up when he's in the box or on a chain.  In the field its not a problem.

I like him and would love to have a couple more just like him.  If any of you guys have a ben bred female and might want to breed I'd interested in talking about it. I'm not a breeder by any means but this is a dog worth breeding IMO.  

Edit: see texas curs post above for a pic of the dog I'm describing. 

[AW]

Is that the same dog that Bryant had? If it is the gyp in the first pic on my post is his sister.

[Cull Buck]

AW, that is bryant's old dog.  Sent you a msg.