Info on old East Texas Yeller lines and owners.

[wine6978]

It is the same Clyde. I just talked to his grandson an little and have talked to his son, John, a lot about their dogs. The dog I have is the last of the line, I am going to figure out what John and Matt did with the rest of the dogs. As far as I know John just told me he quit hunting and kept a few dogs for his son. Matt stopped hunting and got out, a good gyp got stole. I have Rowdy which is the last of their line of dogs. John told me when he gave him to me that he was it and breed him to my best. Well my best just came out of heat, so he is penned with what is in heat now (a promising showing young gyp). The I will breed him to my second best gyp, she has alot of east tx blood in her. I want to keep this line of dogs going, because I hear they where the bees knees in the day. I just have what I have to work with. Here is Rowdy.

Looks a lot like a Florida bred dog. Does he catch

He has the scar like he used to catch, but I guess he has gotten smart in his old age and sits back pretty good.... I just knocked on wood because I don't need him to catch and get killed on me!!!

[wine6978]

Well I just talked to John a little bit. He doesn't remember his dad selling or giving a dog to that guy you mentioned, but he said that doesn't mean it didn't happen. He said they picked up on them Taylor bred dogs back 50-60 years ago and bred em up from there. Told me they just bred their line down to nothing, so they had to stop. I guess that is where Rowdy ends. They breed cow dogs now and leave it at that. He was wore out from this heat we are having so he wasn't too talkative. Next time I see him in person I'll talk to him a little more about them dogs.

[YELLOWBLACKMASK]

Mr Long. Thank you for the info.  Any clue on timeframes when those dogs came over from the Taylors and also which specific Taylor held the line and further info on their dogs. When you mentioned pedigrees ....are they posted or mentioned on Altons board or your own personal peds? 

Wine. Thanks for inquiring. Anytime you can get specifics I would be greatful for the info past.

Seems like a major threshold shift occurred in numerous lines around the early 50's. That's when alot seem to have changed hands and the lines from 60-80's began.  I have so far three trees that end around 52 and info prior to that is sketchy at best.

[C L]

YBM
Some are on Alton's board. I will check to see if the info Dr H had is there. The Taylor dog names were Porter, Jeff and perhaps others but no gyps were named. However, the timing, if correct, would imply Taylor breeding in the 80s rather than earlier.

[C L]

I checked and those pedigrees don't go that far back. I will try to send to you tomorrow.

It is possible that the Ashcrafts got Taylor dogs initially and also additional dogs through the years to breed into their dogs. I know that breeding those two dogs, Bigfoot andBubba, into our dogs was really a good thing to do. They sired some really nice dogs.

[YELLOWBLACKMASK]

Hmmm. That is a head scratcher. 

Mine go back here 7 gens to 89 and the ashcraft dog would have been 9 gen back. So figuring all gyps being bred on first heat for last three gens would put the Ashcraft dog mid to early 80's. The way his boys described to Wine is they held their line for approximately 50-60 years with Taylor bred dogs as their root ped. 

Possible on timeframes due to I have no dates on that side of ped past 86.
If Ashcrafts held line for 60 yrs that would put them aquiring their start around 53 +or-   

As you stated there could have been and very possibly were ....numerous crosses over to the Taylor blood...or the Taylor blood might have been reintroduced during the timeframe you mentioned as a freshen up cross. 

Will be interesting to see.

Who was the Taylor mans full name that began that blood and what area was he located?

[wine6978]

See that is one thing that is going to suck. Since Clyde is no longer with us all we have to go off of is John his son. Now John is in his 50s I'd imagine so he has been around a good while for the dogs  he was not their in the initial years. But at the same time his dad probably said to him the dogs had Taylor blood in them. Apparently those dogs where very popular back in those times because another old dog man in this area used Taylor dogs to breed into his line as well.

I will talk to John whenever I can catch him in the pasture. He likes to talk dogs so he should let me know whatever he knows.

[bigo]

I pretty sure Mr. Taylors name was R.E. Taylor and he moved from the thicket area of Texas to Brazoria county. I don't know the exact time frame. He brought dogs with him and would go back to the thicket from time to time and get more dogs, put his name on them and sell or breed them. He must have known what a good dog was and where to get them because he came with some good ones. He must have been a pretty good breeder also because most dogs in that part of the world carry Taylor blood. The Simms dogs you see in pedigrees from time to time came from Taylor. Rocky Lewis from Brazoria knows a good bit about Mr. Taylor as does Mike Marshall.

[Bryant]

Lawrence Simms does know quite a bit about those Taylor dogs.  He's a quite older gentleman, but I spoke with him not long ago.  I can get you in touch Miles if you'd like to pick his brain.

[justincorbell]

While to my knowledge I do not have any of this blood in my yard nor have I knowingly hunted behind any dogs carrying the blood that ya'll are speaking about I have enjoyed reading this thread. Hope ya'll find out some more info regarding these dogs, if you do please post it up. I enjoy reading about the old curr lines and breeders and the area's they came from.

[wine6978]

Yessir rocky Lewis is who I was speaking of earlier. His grandson is on here and may be able to get more info from rocky on those Taylor dogs.

[YELLOWBLACKMASK]

Yes Bryant if you wouldn't mind Pm me his #. I am always up for a history lesson from folks that got to live it. Thanks.

Flipping the convo to another tree.... Anyone have info on the Thornton or Tullis dogs?  Those are the lines that go back the furthest with mine.

Bob... any clue where RE Taylor aquired the dogs from up here? Or a general location and timeframe. Only a handful of folks that would have had those caliber of dogs years ago.  Was hoping if nothin else to narrow it down.

Thanks again to all gents.

[bigo]

There is another Taylor that shows up in some old pedigrees and had some people make sure I knew they were not the same person. Toby Robinson or Robertson from around Dayton could fill you in on that. I never heard anyone say for sure where R.E. Taylor was getting those dogs and I'm not sure of the timeframe.

[boone823]

Richard Brooks in Silsbee the 80's. with Chicken Charlie. 
Joe Allen Hooks brindle dogs

[7Mhunter]

ok him and my dad use to work cows alot togther but all of dads dogs that he got from butch died before my time and i want one to cross with some other dogs that i know of that comes from that kind of bloodlines

From my understanding Butch still has some dogs but only one or two that came from his original stuff.  
Think Ray kept some pups off of the Tiger dog cross but uncertain. His daughter is on the site ...you could shoot her a Pm.

Ann x tiger pups ended up with 4 living butch got 2 and the female of his went to missouri(i think)
We kept 2 females and have a older male and female here at the house! Tiger died about 2 weeks after we bred her to him! We went to butches house friday and dropped the pups of! His grandson kayon hunts quite a bit!

[keith1976]

T C pouland had one of the best line of curs I've ever had. I've had some of the best pups out of his line. An actually me an another man bought the last litter of pups from him in I believe it was 1999? Not real sure I know he passed away not to long after that. We had to craw under his house an get them pups an believe me it wasn't fun. Lol I had a dog I called buck I kept out of that litter that was outstanding. All of that litter made dogs would love to find someone with a female bred this way. I actually know where a dog is that is TC lines an his name is TC.

[7Mhunter]

T C pouland had one of the best line of curs I've ever had. I've had some of the best pups out of his line. An actually me an another man bought the last litter of pups from him in I believe it was 1999? Not real sure I know he passed away not to long after that. We had to craw under his house an get them pups an believe me it wasn't fun. Lol I had a dog I called buck I kept out of that litter that was outstanding. All of that litter made dogs would love to find someone with a female bred this way. I actually know where a dog is that is TC lines an his name is TC.

  TC as in ryan renyolds dog?

[keith1976]

Corbett Pouland was the guys name. The old men I used to hunt with we're real good friends with him. They were Robert McDonald an his bro Mac that's how I came across his line I was assuming tht this was the line that we were talking about?

[7Mhunter]

We are breeding a Pouland bred female to T C right now...my Dad bred and raised him...we have pups from 2 different litters off of Butches Tiger dog and most every dog we have goes back to the Clyde Ashcraft dog that was a cow dog that was given to a man that wants to remain anonymous when Jimmy Fouracres bred a yellow cowdog female that he got from Gaylon Havard to him and gave Clarence Quave a cripple yellow female that was bred to Gaylons Ole Yeller dog that is where my Dad's Cash dog came from who is in most all of our dogs...

[7Mhunter]

U R right Kieth