I Made Up My Mind...

[Reuben]

last 2 hunts went like this...

Saturday night tuned my 4 dogs loose at 11:00 pm and they rolled out hard and struck a hog a good ways out in about 5 minutes and they crossed about 4 or more fields...finally called dogs off and no hog...

2 weeks before let dogs out at 9 pm and they struck within 5 minutes and at 2 am called 2 dogs out...was told not to go/trespass where they were bayed...this was about 3 miles from where we started...went home around 5 am and came back at 10 am and found them bayed at 11 am...was able to call dogs out because not allowed to enter property...but I sure wanted to walk in and shoot the hog...

So I now made up my mind to breed a mt cur gyp to a leggy pit bull that is as game as a good bull dog should be...The mt cur gyp has plenty of hunt, grit and range...probably lose some nose and hunting sense but hoping to get a few RCD gyps out of this cross...the long range dog days are about over with the smaller plots of land and the steeper fines for trespassing...don't want to lose the stick no matter what type of dogs...once they strike a hog...just want the race to be shorter because of a hog stopping dog and not a bay busting dog that keeps the hog running through the thick brush......

I don't care for the lose baying dogs...so not going that route...

[TexasHogDogs]

There you go Rueben.  I have always had dogs that knew what they could catch and if not they would put teeth on it to try and hold it there till we got there .   Ruff Ruff Ruff.  We caught tons of big hogs with not much running problems, sure had to sew dogs up here and there but when I got smart and started putting really good vest on them the big cuts almost stopped .  I had a gold mine in those old dogs Cj , War Dog, Daisy, Steven, Mojo, Camo , Sis , Old Blu , Black Jack and a ton more. Great damn dogs.  Then I got the silly notion of listening to everybody say man your dogs are just to damn ruff and you need to cut some ruff out of them well guess what I did and I chased big bad boars for a long while.  No more !  Big big big mistake messing with those ruff dogs.  Now am headed back to the way it was and that is why I bred this Fla dog to all my bitches .  I have noticed with my dogs if I want some really stop power just throw him in the bunch and that's all it takes all the others will pile in soon as he grabs results caught hog !  If I don't want such ruff dogs take him and old Blu out the pack and here is your med ruff type of dogs .  Throw them back in when you want and your back at it .

I agree with you Rueben 100%

[TexasHogDogs]

A buddy that has had hog dogs for over 30 years called me the other day .  He is after a boar hog that he says is over 400 lbs ,  I  myself have only caught one that was 419 years and years ago and guess with who with him.  This man knows what a 400 lb and over hog looks like and He has been on this hog twice both times whipped his dogs asses threw them and was gone, he's bad real bad .  He knows were this hog lives .  He ask me to come over with my dogs and he will put his with mine and we are going to try and catch this big old bad boy.  The only way you gonna catch a hog like that is either run him to death for hours and hours and miles at a time are put some real heat on him and by that I mean dogs that stick like glue when the fight starts, not no bay busting wanna be's but dogs they will be there when the chit gets deep  .  That cross you talking about should give you just that with those Mt Curs. I like it myself ! 

[UNDERDOG]

Ruben, have you tried just one or two dogs at the same spot?

[Justified]

You have right idea and unfortunately the right motif. Long range dogs are becoming less and less desirable simply due to lack of land and the faulty image a lot of people view as "hog doggers". I come across the true long range half a mile out the box dog once every few years, other then that long range in most people's minds is a rangy enough stay out of sight that will go a mile running a hog. It is what it is. Back to your point, you are headed in a direction that hopefully is the answer. Since your breeding a rough dog to a pit you should get quite a few rcds. I have bought a couple litter of half cur half pit. a lot turned into rcds but a couple did turn into nothing more the super gritty, get mouthful just because the hog isnt running baybuster type you described. Only reason I'm still not using them....not sure. Last one got killed and my buddy had a bulldog I knew was solid, and here I am. Would like to see some pics of dam and sire, good luck!

[txsteve85]

These hogs sure will make you question your dogs and strategy.
I went the opposite way, switched to looser style. It's tough either way. Good luck..

[TheRednose]

Hey Reuben that sounds like a real good cross, I would also like to see pics of the parents if you have any or have the time. Either way good luck with'em, im sure you will get some good dogs out of it.

[YELLOWBLACKMASK]

Well I guess I am stuck in my ways with alot of this so my bias will be obvious.  Haha.

We have also encountered the land issues and running hogs all night...but cannot stomach a hunting dog I am staring at all night. We have attempted to tailor a mixture of yellers to accommodate a broader range of scenarios. Running the long range dogs in the lead with a backup up short ranged Yeller missiles that can be pointed and fired from the wheelers.

Have just got to the point that we steer away from the smaller tracts with no accessible border property.  Just not worth the headache anymore.

Also we strictly hunt nocturnal which cuts alot of the BS that comes with daylight hunting.

Rough or not.  If I am having to basically find the hogs by walking them over the sign...........they stay in the woods. 

[buddylee]

You either gotta catch'em where u find them or run them till they stop. That's my motto. Not saying I can do either but that's my guiding principle.

[halfbreed]

  heck Rueben I may have just what you need on the ground already   lol  back when mom's hip went out I told folks about my negligent breeding that took place between my  mnt. cur and my cat gyp [ which are just spotted bulldogs ]  lol  i'm thinking they will carry on the tradition of my original dogs in the  ''0 ''  bay dept. that little mnt. cur is one gamey lil sum buck .  of course I have broken him from even looking at a pig  . lol   but yes sir   short country dogs are gonna be the ticket for the future .

[justincorbell]

  heck Rueben I may have just what you need on the ground already   lol  back when mom's hip went out I told folks about my negligent breeding that took place between my  mnt. cur and my cat gyp [ which are just spotted bulldogs ]  lol  i'm thinking they will carry on the tradition of my original dogs in the  ''0 ''  bay dept. that little mnt. cur is one gamey lil sum buck .  of course I have broken him from even looking at a pig  . lol   but yes sir   short country dogs are gonna be the ticket for the future .

I agree with that statement 100% Mr. Whitten

[Judge peel]

I Agree as well a good mix of dogs has worked for me

[T-Bob Parker]

Well I guess I am stuck in my ways with alot of this so my bias will be obvious.  Haha.

We have also encountered the land issues and running hogs all night...but cannot stomach a hunting dog I am staring at all night. We have attempted to tailor a mixture of yellers to accommodate a broader range of scenarios. Running the long range dogs in the lead with a backup up short ranged Yeller missiles that can be pointed and fired from the wheelers.

Have just got to the point that we steer away from the smaller tracts with no accessible border property.  Just not worth the headache anymore.

Also we strictly hunt nocturnal which cuts alot of the BS that comes with daylight hunting.

Rough or not.  If I am having to basically find the hogs by walking them over the sign...........they stay in the woods. 

Yup

[T-Bob Parker]

Reuben, I hope you get exactly what your looking for out of this future cross.
I haven't had hardly any luck with any half pit half curs I've seen, but, Ill say that's because I was looking at them thru cur dog glasses. If you know exactly what you should be looking for it shouldnt take you long to get there.


The halvsies I've been around we're dumb, hard headed, no hunt and usually dead at 18-20 months old. They sometimes had a real nice look to them, but I couldn't get passed the fact that I don't like tripping on em.
I bet if you had a litter of 10 and made them good ol south Brazoria county style road hunting dogs you could cull down thru them and have 2 that come out suitable at 2 years, from there, with the right descisions, you may be on to something.

[TexasHogDogs]

You either gotta catch'em where u find them or run them till they stop. That's my motto. Not saying I can do either but that's my guiding principle.

I agree Buddy .  Stop'em were they are at are go to the next option which is running them till their legs fall off .  The way I see it is you got to get good at one are the other.  Anything inbetween and most the time you will go home skunked are with some little hogs and the big boy gets away again .

[Peteywlisomhogdawgs]

I had a old timer tell me something that if you have a dog that just bays his a$$ of and is real loud baying and want to put his teeth own whatever he is baying will most like break and run but a dog that kinda quiet but just bays constantly and keeps whatever he is baying calm will stay ther until you can get there we bayed a boar hog the other night that was suppose to be a runner but where we struck him at and where he got caught at he never moved he had no ears and a bob tail know he has no ears a bob tail and no nuts

[BA-IV]

I believe some dogs honestly just know how to bay a hog.  I may be wrong and it'd be hard to prove, but some dogs just seem to know what to do to make a boar hog stand there and be bayed, where as another dog will make him break.

I'm not talking about bay busting dogs or nut grabbing dogs or starting an argument, I'm just talking about dogs that have a finesse to em. Might be talking crazy!

[bigo]

I believe some dogs honestly just know how to bay a hog.  I may be wrong and it'd be hard to prove, but some dogs just seem to know what to do to make a boar hog stand there and be bayed, where as another dog will make him break.

I'm not talking about bay busting dogs or nut grabbing dogs or starting an argument, I'm just talking about dogs that have a finesse to em. Might be talking crazy!

[bigo]

  I don'tknow what I did to do that last reply but I agree with Ben.That,s why I say, good dogs bred to work stock work best. They handle stock with finess first and brute force when finess dosen't work. They come here knowing where to be and what to do in relation to the task at hand. I have  hunted every style of dog from one end of the spectrum to the other and the stock bred dogs have produced more caught hogs. They are getting extremly hard to find.

[warrent423]

  I don'tknow what I did to do that last reply but I agree with Ben.That,s why I say, good dogs bred to work stock work best. They handle stock with finess first and brute force when finess dosen't work. They come here knowing where to be and what to do in relation to the task at hand. I have  hunted every style of dog from one end of the spectrum to the other and the stock bred dogs have produced more caught hogs. They are getting extremly hard to find.