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« Reply #40 on: July 26, 2013, 03:42:45 pm »

  you know I really do like pure bred dogs and working within the breed to better the breed . or make it better suit me and my terrain . and if I was 20 years younger that is the path that I would have taken . but it takes years to work up a line within a breed of dogs that will suit everything required of them . or you can search the world over and try and find the dogs all ready lined out .  and with my tree dogs I will spend the time to do this .  but if a man is in a hurry to tweek some dogs to his likeing cross breeding is the route to take . the goal is achieved much sooner in just an f-1 cross as well as having the hybred vigor that comes with it . but to you young guys . after this mass breeding of the cur dogs that has taken place , I would get me some well bred pure  stock and keep a decent line going for the future .  the Catahoula's were dang near destroyed by the hog boom and thanks to a few good breeders they will recover fully i'm sure . just some things to think on .
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« Reply #41 on: July 26, 2013, 07:09:08 pm »

and guys at the end of the day your the only one you need to please.

I've always said raise what you like to hunt.  Like in all breeds you can find Aggressive and passive lines. Cold, medium, or hot noses. Small, medium, large dogs, slow, medium, fast dogs. short, medium, long range.  Once you find what you like to look at and hunt behind, then you tweak it to your style and clean up the little things.  I truly do think you can do this in one line or breed of dogs without cross breeding, but once you make that cross keep working on it till you fine tune it. 

Good luck Reuben on finding or breeding what you like. I know I like these leopards, but they may be a little mouthy for you and they not stop'm hard or fast enough.  I do know there are silent leopards on track and some realllllll gritty ones that'll stop a bear.  The ones I have  are just perfect for me and that's all that counts.  I kinda got the feeling from reading your threads and posts, you'll get it all worked out. May even have a "Reuben Cur"  line in a few years showing up with BMC and Omc.....

keep us posted on whats to come....

thanks Mike...

I already bred my own line of curs once and honestly I didn't know where to look to add to it and really didn't want that because of all the years of line breeding and inbreeding the best within a line...but I do know that some folks loved them and others did not because of the bottom and because quite a few were semi open...different strokes...  Smiley

right now I am too old to start over with a new line...I do have 2 young dogs that are litter mates,  brother and sister here in my yard that basically have the same blood as that line I had and they have lots of hunt and bottom...both are smaller than I like with a longer coat and there mouth is not as loud as I like...but they have lots of grit and probably out strike most good dogs so they are worth keeping and breeding just because I know where they come from and know the back ground on them...My friend breeds for smaller dogs and longer coats but breeding to a large and leggy pit bull with the slick coat will fix that...I do know exactly what I need to do to get what I want...I want dogs with lots of bottom with no quit but I want short races because they force it that way... sticking with the track and catching at the first opportunity...I do like the idea of having a stronger jaw on a cur dog...I have already seen some of the negatives from these type of crosses as well as the positives...

A friend has 2 good ones that will run with the curs and the third one was at the bay and swimming and catching in water at 4 months and striking and catching at 6 or 7 months of age...he was a striking catch dog with some sense...sometimes he stopped the hog and bayed and protected himself from the hog...I saw a big boar bayed on the other side of the brazos river and he swam it and went straight in and caught as a young dog...I want something similar to that dog yet with a little less pitbull...that good pup got out of his yard and got ran over but the other 2 are still running...I do know 1/2 is mt cur of the texas smoke line and the other side is pitbull with a touch of bmc...don't know anything of the bull dog or bmc side...

I am not interested in a new line of cur because I have other (financial) priorities and really not having the time to test and select the pups as I should...because one must keep at least 1/2 the litter of the pups that show the most promise at a young age and then slowly cull down from the ones kept...I don't have the space to do it and don't really have a good place of my own to go test the pups...usually when we go it is to run the big dogs...I will keep 2 curs for breeding and hunting and 4 dogs that will have different percentages of pitbull and breed those to the curs as needed...I will breed a litter or 2 as I need them and not to establish a line of dogs...but if a few hard core dog men from within a 2 hundred mile radius want to breed for the same goals then we can start a line...
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« Reply #42 on: July 26, 2013, 08:21:03 pm »

  you know I really do like pure bred dogs and working within the breed to better the breed . or make it better suit me and my terrain . and if I was 20 years younger that is the path that I would have taken . but it takes years to work up a line within a breed of dogs that will suit everything required of them . or you can search the world over and try and find the dogs all ready lined out .  and with my tree dogs I will spend the time to do this .  but if a man is in a hurry to tweek some dogs to his likeing cross breeding is the route to take . the goal is achieved much sooner in just an f-1 cross as well as having the hybred vigor that comes with it . but to you young guys . after this mass breeding of the cur dogs that has taken place , I would get me some well bred pure  stock and keep a decent line going for the future .  the Catahoula's were dang near destroyed by the hog boom and thanks to a few good breeders they will recover fully i'm sure . just some things to think on .
Yessir, this is what I've been trying to convey...
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« Reply #43 on: July 30, 2013, 10:16:42 pm »

If you think it easier to find good cross bred dogs over full blood dogs your wrong buddy it's work what ever you hunt crosses designer or full blood they are still just dogs!
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« Reply #44 on: July 30, 2013, 11:05:36 pm »

Well, buddy...the coversation wasn't about "finding" a good dog (cross bred or pure)...it was about making/producing them.No one is denying that work is involved in the process.
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« Reply #45 on: July 30, 2013, 11:44:08 pm »

first off , years back i had 2 catahoula airedales. both females and one was a 50-50 cross and the other was a line of hogs dogs a guy kept. both short ranged and medium to hot nose dogs and neither ruff but would make a hog stop from goin to the rear. they both were good with ruff head dogs along. right now my hunting buddies have the strike and second dogs and i just keep ambulls/ catchdogs. the dogs we are using right now are a mihsmosh of stuff bred to catch hogs with for over 40 yrs now. these dogs are typically ruff as a cob, short ranged and medium to hot nosed.you dont typically hear alot of barkin usin most of these dogs but they also have some more catahoula dogs and the rat terriers that make racket. i cant tell you the percentages without gettin a pencil and paper but heres the breeds behind the dogs we hunt with today.... and not all the dogs are bred the same.... irish terrier, airedale, mountain cur, catahoula, trig, treeing walker, running walker, american pit bull terrier, australian shepherd, rottwieller, plott, redbone, kemmer cur, yellow black mouth, fox terrier. i think lol
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« Reply #46 on: July 31, 2013, 12:16:05 am »

If you buy it or breed it your still "finding" that perfect dog!
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