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« Reply #20 on: September 06, 2013, 12:33:14 pm » |
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Great performace & producing gyps are like gold bars ! I love great gyps .
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« Reply #21 on: September 07, 2013, 01:03:46 pm » |
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Those are some beautiful gyps TShelly. I think your point is spot on. Therefore looks like your future is looking real bright!
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« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2013, 02:47:12 pm » |
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when you know your line of dogs and one of the goals is to breed early starters...then as you test the pups from 7 weeks on up and you see one consistently excelling above the rest of the litter in all tests...and one of the bigger test is running off in the woods the first time she is dumped out in the woods with company following or without... even better...and then she is finding hogs and hunting hard before her first heat cycle then I will not hesitate to breed her on her first cycle...have done it regular enough to know it works and haven't had any issues with delivery...I see it like this...if she were running loose she would have been bred so why not take advantage of some good breeding...especially if you are needing a few pups or just cleaning up the gene pool...
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
A hunting dog is born not made...
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« Reply #23 on: September 07, 2013, 03:36:54 pm » |
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There was a quote on here sometime back, something along the lines of..."a great male will make you famous, but good females will keep you there"
I like that quote alot, it's the exact reason why I'm looking for a good gyp at the moment. Males can keep you in the race but females are the ones who will keep you going. |
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Reuben
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« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2013, 05:00:54 pm » |
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There was a quote on here sometime back, something along the lines of..."a great male will make you famous, but good females will keep you there"
I like that quote alot, it's the exact reason why I'm looking for a good gyp at the moment. Males can keep you in the race but females are the ones who will keep you going.
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
A hunting dog is born not made...
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« Reply #25 on: September 07, 2013, 05:19:23 pm » |
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There was a quote on here sometime back, something along the lines of..."a great male will make you famous, but good females will keep you there"
I like that quote alot, it's the exact reason why I'm looking for a good gyp at the moment. Males can keep you in the race but females are the ones who will keep you going.
those quote's I believe originated from the thoroughbred horse racing folks... Maybe Mr Reuben, but I believe they still ring true in dogs. Genetics is genetics. I was talking to a "chicken" man a long time back, when I was still showing cows. He was starting his line and he told me the best advice he ever got about breeding was..."you have to build the barn before you can paint it". Now this was about birds, but again I think it can ring true in any breeding program...genetics is genetics Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 2 |
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« Reply #26 on: September 07, 2013, 05:20:29 pm » |
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Just re-read my post...hope I didn't come off rude
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« Reply #27 on: September 07, 2013, 05:45:26 pm » |
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Just re-read my post...hope I didn't come off rude
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I sure am not saying that you were wrong at all...and I do believe that waiting until 2.5 to 3 years to know for sure is the best way no doubt...but I knew my dogs well and I knew what they were going to be by 10 months of age or sooner...in some breeds a pup doesn't really show much until 1.5 years of age... but if I don't see what I liked at 6 months I move them on...just my way of doing things...does this mean that they are culls???no...not by a long shot, they are not meeting my personal standards so I move them on... I judge my pups at all ages past 7 or 8 weeks and it is a progression curve and they need to meet it or better yet stay above it...I am not a hard a$$ just have my standards... |
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
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« Reply #28 on: September 07, 2013, 08:33:39 pm » |
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Just re-read my post...hope I didn't come off rude
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I sure am not saying that you were wrong at all...and I do believe that waiting until 2.5 to 3 years to know for sure is the best way no doubt...but I knew my dogs well and I knew what they were going to be by 10 months of age or sooner...in some breeds a pup doesn't really show much until 1.5 years of age... but if I don't see what I liked at 6 months I move them on...just my way of doing things...does this mean that they are culls???no...not by a long shot, they are not meeting my personal standards so I move them on... I judge my pups at all ages past 7 or 8 weeks and it is a progression curve and they need to meet it or better yet stay above it...I am not a hard a$$ just have my standards... I totally agree, and hope to be to that point one day. those kindnof standards will save you a lot of money in other wise wasted feed Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 2 |
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« Reply #29 on: September 08, 2013, 10:39:11 am » |
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The horse boys have known the importance of good females for a long time. The bird dog boys know it for sure. A great producing female is a treasure. The bird dog boys call them "Blue Hens". One female was bred to 6 different males over her lifetime and produced champions in every litter.
When there were still quail and I had bird dogs I had a string of 6---all female. They are just easier to work with and can find just as many if not more birds than any male.
The problem is guys want to hunt the good ones and breed the sorry ones.
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