hogs turning feral

[cliffhanger]

How true is it that hogs once turned loose will start have young with longer hair longer snouts and straight tails? I've always read this but its hard to wrap mind around the idea that if  you leave a pair of pure bred domestic hogs in the wild, their coming generations will soon look like they have alot of European influence. And how much of todays wild population has European blood?

[Cajun]

I would think it would take many, many generations to start seeing the results of growing long hair, longer snout & so forth. That would probably be helped along by breeding to other wild hogs or Eurasian type hogs.
  There probably is not to many places that have not felt the russian influence. They have certainly spread around the country. Almost like they could fly.lol
 

[halfbreed]

  lol  they did fly Cajun  ,  they flew down the highway in someone's trailer  .  lol 

[bigo]

I have read that pure bred hogs in the wild will revert back to their European ancestors in 15 generations. Thats generations, not years and with no other genetic influence.

[Muddogkennels]

I have read that pure bred hogs in the wild will revert back to their European ancestors in 15 generations. Thats generations, not years and with no other genetic influence.

so some where's around 5 years   
... halfbreed: lol

[bigo]

I don't know how many years that would be but it would be way more than 5 years. I have seen seven generation pedigrees on dogs that would reach back to the 50's and late 40's. It would have to be in the 75 year range at least.

[charles]

So how does your math figure at least 75 years? Your compairing dogs that can be selected for breeding or held back from breeding for many years before being allowed to breed, compaired to a wild animal that can breed anytime without human interference. 15 generations could take no less than 15 years, but 75 is a stretch. A stretch compairison from 1 end of this country to the other.

[Amokabs]

Dont u figure a sow has it's first litter by the time it turns a year old? Thats 2 generations in a year or 14-15 months tops. In another 15 months you got two more generations, so u at 4 generations right there, in 30 months.

[bigo]

I guess that would work if the original pair of pink pigs died after they weaned the first litter of pigs and so on down the line. If the original pair lived ten years and kept injecting the original blood back in the gene pool it would take many years to be 15 generations removed from the original pair. I just repeated what some so called expert said. From pink pig to looking like a European wild boar.

[Cajun]

Let's take this a step further. Desota or Ponce De Leon brought the first hogs here & turned them loose for food. Somebody help me out but I think it was in the 1500's.Not sure either which one of those it was. So that is 500 years of hogs breeding in the wild.
  Now for sure, Fla.'s feral hogs have the long snout & a lot of hair in the winter, but they in no way have the hair a true Eurasian hog has & that could be the climate also.
  Also, we do not know what their hogs looked like back then either.

[charles]

Is there a europen wild sow?

[Reuben]

I have heard the same thing about domestic hogs reverting back to their wild kinfolks in a short period of time...I think it is a bunch of boloney but that is my opinion...I think it has more to do with disease and predators as to why they adapt and the new look comes out...pure bred hogs will die off rather quickly because of lack of diversity of the gene pool and the slow big butt ones will get caught...the higher the death rate the faster they evolve

right now it is the hog doggers that are making these hogs evolve pretty quick...the slow ones are getting caught...the ones that want to stop and fight are getting caught...the ones that run fast and are smart get away to breed another day...that right there changes the way hogs look and act rather quickly...they are constantly evolving because of it...

[Shotgun wg]

I saw an egg head one time say u could take a farm hog raise it on the farm couple years and it would look farm raised. Then take same hog and put it in a wooded pen and in a couple years its skull will change to be more like feral pigs. Then put this same pig back on the farm and it would again change back to the pen raised looking skull in a couple years. He claimed this morphing of the skull was due to the manner in which they got their food. As far as them getting long hair and turning black he said that even the farm raised pig in the wild woul begin to look feral in color and coat in a few years.

Right or wrong I don't know that's just what the egg head said.


Shotgun
Arkansas

[Muddogkennels]

3 litters per year !

[cliffhanger]

Is there a europen wild sow?

no, the boars over there get in the water and multiply like gremlins lol

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[charles]

Is there a europen wild sow?

no, the boars over there get in the water and multiply like gremlins lol

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Wholly snickers, thats how hogs breed. I thought it took sows too to reproduce. I guess all them sows are domstics, aint nvr a wild sow, just wild boars. Thank u for clearing it up for. 

[cliffhanger]

Thanks for taking that the way I meant you to Charles, that's what I lover about this site and the guys on it if I had said that on some of the other forums I belong to people would get bent outa shape and be ready to fight.
 I've always wondered why they're "boars" and not just European hogs. Did the ancients only harvest the boars ?

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[charles]

Thanks for taking that the way I meant you to Charles, that's what I lover about this site and the guys on it if I had said that on some of the other forums I belong to people would get bent outa shape and be ready to fight.
 I've always wondered why they're "boars" and not just European hogs. Did the ancients only harvest the boars ?

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aww, no biggy, I knew what u were getting at. I guess its kinda a pet peave of mine when folks call ALL wild hogs, wild boar. its kinda like humans, it takes 1 of each sex to reproduce, so there HAS to be wild sows too. actually I know they do, iv got 6 in my pen.

[BigAbner]

I've got a ranch I bought in 2004. When I bought it, it had some hogs on it mostly all reddish brown or black. Right after I bought the place Tyson turned over a truck load of young hogs. They let them all go, they don't keep anything that has touched the ground. For several years I had a lot of predominantly white as well as red, brown, black and spotted hogs. As they have bred and been trapped and hunted, most of the hogs have gradually gone to mostly black with some spotted, some red and an occasional white. After the Tyson event the hogs had shorter snouts, smoother coats and were more compact and meaty. Now you occasionally see boars that you would swear were Russian. I don't think anyone would transplant hogs here as there were plenty in the first place. My only conclusion is they change their physical structure and color fairly rapidly. In my country the hogs stay pretty fat, but I don't have many really large hogs with the exception of an occasional lone boar. Some of them are really big and rangy. So far my dogs haven't gone life or death with one, although I have had neighbors kill them in the 400 pound range and most of them are runners. Take from this what you want, but hogs change in a hurry.

[Amokabs]

I've heard people say 2 generations will produce feral hogs, i thought that was purdy darn quick. Hey, if you domesticate feral hogs, how many generations before they lose their hair, turn pink, get curly tails and short snouts? Lol