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Reuben
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« on: September 25, 2013, 08:42:39 pm » |
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breeding consistency can be hard to achieve with outcrossed dogs or with dogs within a pedigree that are out of inconsistent hunting dogs or the breeders don't hold to a high standard...So one has to wade through the crap and look for the diamonds in the rough...
The last 2 bulldog pups I picked I picked for a certain size and look with that perfect body build and they eventually had to be culled...no catch to them...back in the 1980's most turned out as catch dogs...I reckon too many generations removed from those days when they earned breeding rights...
also culled lots of cur dogs since 2009...
in the last 3 years I have bred 3 gyps to 3 different males and none took...I was hoping the last mt cur gyp would take that was bred to a big leggy bull dog but she didn't take...was planning on 3/4 mt cur 1/4 pit rough strike dogs...
I did get one litter in those last 3 years that took which is still at 25% not good as far as breedings go...
since I was a kid all breedings made took and all through the 1990's and all the way to the last litter in 2006...the pups were born healthy and I didn't lose any pups except for one litter that now I believe they contracted coccidiosis...but they all took...
has anyone else had these issues with their females not taking when bred?
and what about having to cull bull dogs because of no catch?
and what about curs and hounds not making it as strike dogs?
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« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2013, 08:54:41 pm » |
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Reuban,
I have had dogs all my life. the the consistent thing I have seen in all breeds is, there are a lot more sorry dogs out there then good ones.
I have not experienced the bad luck you have had with your gyps not getting pregnant . I might have had two gyps over the last 30 years that did not take.
All you can do is take it on the jaw & keep plugging away.
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TexasHogDogs
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« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2013, 08:59:22 pm » |
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The gyps that did not take were they heavy heavy family bred and were they being bred back to a heavy family male ?
I have never been around a bulldog that would not catch some might not catch the ear but never seen one that would not catch .
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Judge peel
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« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2013, 09:20:34 pm » |
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I have had bull dogs my whole life even the sorry ones will catch with very little work that is wierd
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« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2013, 10:02:59 pm » |
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use to back in the day every bulldog would catch it seemed like no matter if it came from the pound or someone brought it by but now in the last 5 years ive seen alot that wouldnt catch they will tuck their tail, i have some buddys from tennesse that have just about a unlimited supply of bulldogs but just about 95% of them they bring down here to try out will not catch their being bred to be pretty and for a certain look or whatever it is you wanna call it, i see quiet a few off fighting stock bulldogs that are bred to be little and catch nothing but the front leg down toward the hogs ankle, alot of non hunters are breeding the traits we like out of them for other reasons, ive always been around mixed up cur dogs that was just bred good dog to good dog over the years and i think this is alright but down the line your going to end up with a litter of mutts i think over several years of breeding good dog to good dog you will loose alot of the qualities in a dog that makes it a hog dog because they become so mixed up no different than a dog you see in a parking lot somewhere and im not saying a crossed up dog isnt a hog dog because i have seen several but i dont think it hurts to try to stay in a line of dogs to maintain certain qualities.and i may not be right just my way of thinking
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« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2013, 10:43:03 pm » |
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Reuben not sure about the rest but the reason I believe that a higher percentage of bulldogs are not catching in my opinion and has been touched on by some of the other people is that a lot of bulldogs are not true bulldogs and have had other breeds bred into them to get a certain look or color. That is why I would never ever ever ever own a blue bulldog or anything down from a blue bulldog. I know some will say they are great, and I respect everyone's opinion but that is just me. Also like you touched on before most do not have to earn their breeding rights now or are being bred for a certain look and not function. In my opinion form always needs to follow function!
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« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2013, 08:01:28 am » |
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Reuben not sure about the rest but the reason I believe that a higher percentage of bulldogs are not catching in my opinion and has been touched on by some of the other people is that a lot of bulldogs are not true bulldogs and have had other breeds bred into them to get a certain look or color. That is why I would never ever ever ever own a blue bulldog or anything down from a blue bulldog. I know some will say they are great, and I respect everyone's opinion but that is just me. Also like you touched on before most do not have to earn their breeding rights now or are being bred for a certain look and not function. In my opinion form always needs to follow function!
Rednose I had the same outlook as you referring to blue bulldogs until I was pretty much sweet talked into getting a grown female from my gf's friend that was in a bind and needed to get rid of her, she is not the best bulldog ive ever owned BUT she does me a good job and has caught everything that I have turned her loose on and will wind and find one from the buggy if its close. I also have hunted with a big male that the Psenciks used to own and he was as solid a cd as I have hunted with. I agree that blue bulldogs were bred solely to be "cool" and for looks but I wouldn't count em all out, never know you may end up like me and be suprised by one some day. I personally like red bulldogs for no other reason than because I have had great luck with them in the past. |
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« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2013, 08:22:53 am » |
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Reuben...I haven't bred that many gyps so my experience is limited but I THINK I've had just 1 gyp not take.
On the Bulldog issue along with Peel... I've never seen one that wouldn't turn on. Some may take a FEW trips to the pen but eventually they do get the switch flipped.
On the Curs or Hounds not making dogs....well....for guys that are just starting out or trying to re-establish, if they have very high standards I can see the results they get in their search being below expectations now days because there are so many dogs out there. When your set on one specific breed and a certain confirmation your options are even more limited so It can be frustrating I'm sure.
For everyone else out there...you've got a lot better chances. It's usually wise to try and pull a pup or dog out of proven breeders in established lines but that's not always possible. That being the case, you need to be a little more detailed doing your homework before you make your pick. IMO Everyone starts their line somewhere and just because they don't have 3, 4,.....10 generations of dogs on their yard doesn't mean you can't find a good one there, lol. Just do your homework...get references... See the dogs hunt and you'll be fine.
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« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2013, 02:07:33 pm » |
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Reuben not sure about the rest but the reason I believe that a higher percentage of bulldogs are not catching in my opinion and has been touched on by some of the other people is that a lot of bulldogs are not true bulldogs and have had other breeds bred into them to get a certain look or color. That is why I would never ever ever ever own a blue bulldog or anything down from a blue bulldog. I know some will say they are great, and I respect everyone's opinion but that is just me. Also like you touched on before most do not have to earn their breeding rights now or are being bred for a certain look and not function. In my opinion form always needs to follow function!
Rednose I had the same outlook as you referring to blue bulldogs until I was pretty much sweet talked into getting a grown female from my gf's friend that was in a bind and needed to get rid of her, she is not the best bulldog ive ever owned BUT she does me a good job and has caught everything that I have turned her loose on and will wind and find one from the buggy if its close. I also have hunted with a big male that the Psenciks used to own and he was as solid a cd as I have hunted with. I agree that blue bulldogs were bred solely to be "cool" and for looks but I wouldn't count em all out, never know you may end up like me and be suprised by one some day. I personally like red bulldogs for no other reason than because I have had great luck with them in the past. Hey Justin, that does not surprise me at all. I have heard of a few that were real good catch dogs, in fact they are prob more suited to be catch dogs then gamebred ones. For the reason they have had other breeds bred into them so they are easier to get a handle on and way less likely to try and fight the hog. But my point i was making is on percentages though the gamebred ones might be harder to get a handle on and some might not catch the ear I doubt you could find too many that would not turn on and go after a hog, and their level tenacity is unmatched by any breed period. And I consider blue pits a different breed. But thats just my two cents, you can take it for what its worth. |
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« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2013, 02:37:38 pm » |
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On the bulldog subject, this is drastic measure because most will catch right off the bat. But the ones that didn't, I would end up putting in a pen with a pig with zero cutters. Once you razz a pig up in tight quarters he'll start whooping on that dog and most dogs will end up starting to fight back. Most of the time that's all it takes to make a pig crazy bulldog
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Reuben
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« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2013, 02:52:11 pm » |
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On the bulldog subject, this is drastic measure because most will catch right off the bat. But the ones that didn't, I would end up putting in a pen with a pig with zero cutters. Once you razz a pig up in tight quarters he'll start whooping on that dog and most dogs will end up starting to fight back. Most of the time that's all it takes to make a pig crazy bulldog
both bull dogs were given to folks that had tight quarter pens and they had to cull as well...back in the 80s-90s it seemed all bull dogs caught... |
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
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« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2013, 08:59:16 pm » |
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Reuben, I was wondering if you have been useing Ivomec pour on wormer on your gyps. I believe from experience that pour on wormer will keep a gyp from taking a breeding. I don't know why but I've seen several gyps get bred 3 or 4 heats in a row and not take. When we quit using the pour on they all took and raised a litter. The only other things I can think of would be Brucellocis or ovarian cyst. Like cattle and horses, a gyp can get cyst on her ovaries and that will keep her from taking. A vet can treat the cyst.
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Judge peel
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« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2013, 10:07:04 pm » |
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Well fellas if you have a nice red nose female that wont catch send it my way
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