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« on: December 08, 2013, 09:02:41 pm » |
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I jus got a ybmc pup. Was looking for some input on starting him. He is the only dog I have. Right at five mounts old. Looking to train him by himself I jus want one dog an a lead in catch dog. Was worndring what the best way to get him started finding pigs would be. I like to walk hunt. The pup came out of rough dogs. So I think if I can get him started finding pigs I should able to catch some with jus him an a lead in. An how old till I start working with the pup. Thanks for any input
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hoghunter71409
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« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2013, 09:10:51 pm » |
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I start all my dogs with long walks in the woods down beaten trails. I think it is great for a pup of any kind to be taken out of his or her normal environment to some place new and then put some miles under their pads. If often allowed and encouraged young pups the chase squirrels or rabbits- or anything else that crosses the path. I think these solo walks in the woods build a relationship and instill confidence in pup. You and only you will know when your pup is ready to see a hog. I would keep the dog walking the same trails except one day- I would tie a small pig to a tree and let the pup find that pig. The pup may bay or may not. If the pup bays right away that's good. Let the pig go and let the pup trail. A few experiences like this will get you a well started pup in a metter of a few months. If you are going to walk hunt, I think this would be a great way to get you pup started. Also, find some small creeks- walk through them and make that pup follow and learn to cross water. Good luck!
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KevinN
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« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2013, 09:11:32 pm » |
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5 months is plenty old. Get a pig....not to big...maybe 50-75lbs to start with. I use a pen to start but that's just me. If you have one available (50-60ft across) put the dog in with the pig and see what happens. Hopefully you'll get a posative reaction  If the pups not real interested... Get in and move the pig around. If still nothing... Catch the pig and make it squeal. You should get something out of pup. Do that a couple times then move on to mock hunts. If you don't have access to a pen...stake the pig out. Walk your pup in and let him find the pig. See what happens. If nothing...use the techniques above. Same thing... Do that a couple times then on to mock hunts. Should be good to go after a few training sessions. People put pups in the woods at different ages. When you actually hunt your pup is up to you. You just want to make sure pup is mentally and physically mature enough to handle itself in the woods. |
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Spruitt
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« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2013, 09:15:44 pm » |
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Thanks guys. The pup has been to the out side of the pen twice an bayed both times good. I work away from home most of the time so the pup stays in the camper with me an also goes to work with me every day. Now I jus need to find a place an the time to take him on walks
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« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2013, 04:19:22 pm » |
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I agree with Kevin's methods. It's never too soon to start training as long as the pup has interest. He's right too about mental maturity. I wouldn't take him on live hunts until he I thought he was able to handle whatever cards were dealt him from a mental standpoint. As for taking them out to the woods and exploring, I don't like to walk them a lot. I take a chair and sit in one place and allow the pup to explore on his own and learn to get back to point a on his own.
if your always moving he will spend more time paying attention to you than exploring. The first few times he may not venture very far, just don't pay him much mind and he'll get bored. JMO.
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Reuben
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« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2013, 05:32:47 pm » |
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I agree with Kevin's methods. It's never too soon to start training as long as the pup has interest. He's right too about mental maturity. I wouldn't take him on live hunts until he I thought he was able to handle whatever cards were dealt him from a mental standpoint. As for taking them out to the woods and exploring, I don't like to walk them a lot. I take a chair and sit in one place and allow the pup to explore on his own and learn to get back to point a on his own.
if your always moving he will spend more time paying attention to you than exploring. The first few times he may not venture very far, just don't pay him much mind and he'll get bored. JMO.
x2... all the above posts I agree with...but a very important part is to get the pup to venture out...ignore the pup and walk slow so the pup will get bored and hopefully hunt out... take him to a good spot like the open woods and just find a place to sit and let the pup out while he is fresh and wanting to go do something...hopefully he will...and when you stake a pig out come from the down wind side so he can wind it and go to it...then lay a track down and stake the pig out and then slowly walk towards the track so the pup and take it and go with it...if he doesn't take it then you help him work it out...if he has it in him this will help him to get it going... |
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
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« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2013, 08:17:29 pm » |
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I start all my dogs with long walks in the woods down beaten trails. I think it is great for a pup of any kind to be taken out of his or her normal environment to some place new and then put some miles under their pads. If often allowed and encouraged young pups the chase squirrels or rabbits- or anything else that crosses the path. I think these solo walks in the woods build a relationship and instill confidence in pup. You and only you will know when your pup is ready to see a hog. I would keep the dog walking the same trails except one day- I would tie a small pig to a tree and let the pup find that pig. The pup may bay or may not. If the pup bays right away that's good. Let the pig go and let the pup trail. A few experiences like this will get you a well started pup in a metter of a few months. If you are going to walk hunt, I think this would be a great way to get you pup started. Also, find some small creeks- walk through them and make that pup follow and learn to cross water. Good luck!
I really like hoghunters methed.. If you really want your dog to hunt the way you are describing, follow this and this pup will find you all the hogs your wanting. I love the training part more these days than hog hunting, but then again I'm getting old and slower lol |
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Bonnie_Clyde
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« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2013, 09:25:51 pm » |
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I have said this many times, the one thing a lot of young trainers leave out is letting pups/dogs get roughed up in a bay pen before cutting them loose on a live hunt. I promise you alot of pups/dogs don't know what to do or how to handle a wild hog when that first or several times they get on one. The pen if worked properly will keep your dog alive a lot longer!!!!
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hoghunter71409
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« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2013, 10:18:09 pm » |
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One other thing I'd like to mention. Handle the dog as much as possible. I've never been one for only handling a dog when you are hunting- just me. Take the pup with you when you go places. I let pups go on hunting trips at four/five months old. I don't let them try to run with other dogs, but I do start early discipline and getting pups used to being in a box.
Some people will say breeding is most important, some people will say training is most important. I believe a dog gets smart based on the number of experiences it goes through. Some of the best dogs I've seen weren't bred the best or didn't have the most training, but they knew all the tricks and they were smart.
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Reuben
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« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2013, 04:45:26 am » |
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I have said this many times, the one thing a lot of young trainers leave out is letting pups/dogs get roughed up in a bay pen before cutting them loose on a live hunt. I promise you alot of pups/dogs don't know what to do or how to handle a wild hog when that first or several times they get on one. The pen if worked properly will keep your dog alive a lot longer!!!!
x2...when I first started back in the early 80's I taught the pups to has a ton of confidence by letting them trail up and overpower the shoats...that was a big mistake when they tried to catch a big boar in the wild...the pen is a great tool when used properly... you want the pup to learn how to stop and bay a hog in the pen...once the pup likes baying a hog and is displaying lots of confidence then it is time to put a bigger hog in there with him so the pup can learn how to protect himself from the hogs front end... |
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
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« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2013, 08:31:19 am » |
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I like to start pups on a piglet that they can easly whoop and slowly move them up to a pig that will thro them off. In my opion if a pup gets jacked up to young it can set them back but not always that why I think it's confidence is most important when they are young. I use to work the pen but got away from it. I think the more time you spend with that pup the better it will only help you as a team cuz you will know him inside and out. I like to stake a pig out in the woods walk them few hundred out and set and watch they will pick it up then they know right off that woods equals pigs lol
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