How do I teach a dog to roll out on another hog

[Reuben]

Yup, rolling out, hunt, bottom, bay style and so forth, it's all training. If you try hard enough you can train any dog to hunt, roll out have endless bottom and all that jazz.



 

ah ha...

[Peachcreek]

Yup, rolling out, hunt, bottom, bay style and so forth, it's all training. If you try hard enough you can train any dog to hunt, roll out have endless bottom and all that jazz.



 

what about shutting a hawg down? Is that also trained t-bob? I need to find a trainer to help my pack shut down every hog and then roll out. I am gonna go cull all my pups and go to the pound for some grown dogs to train. This thread has saved me a bunch of time and money. Thanks ethd!!!!

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[t.wilbanks]

Yup, rolling out, hunt, bottom, bay style and so forth, it's all training. If you try hard enough you can train any dog to hunt, roll out have endless bottom and all that jazz.



 

what about shutting a hawg down? Is that also trained t-bob? I need to find a trainer to help my pack shut down every hog and then roll out. I am gonna go cull all my pups and go to the pound for some grown dogs to train. This thread has saved me a bunch of time and money. Thanks ethd!!!!

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Yep, what's the point of raising pups when you can train any ol grown dog..

[KevinN]

Haha

[justincorbell]

Lol, ya'll crack me up!

[Shotgun wg]

Be in the hogs where they are thick and have a favorable wind. I have had my dogs roll out once. We got in a big sounder and caught 1. The hogs went into the wind and it was a pretty decent wind blowing steady to the dogs. They rolled 100yd caught. We grabbed it same situation. 150 caught again. Same again they went 200 caught. We caught 5 in probly 30 min. After we had hunted 7hrs to catch 2. My dogs haven't rolled out since. I think the wind was the major factor that day and if given enough chances like that I think they might learn.


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[hoghunter71409]

For the guys that think it is genetic (given that you want this trait) please tell me your success rate in breeding this gene?  Do all of your dogs roll out and at what age does this genetic trait start to show?  If rolling out is a gene and is genetic- surely almost all of the dogs in your breeding program do this consistently- right??

One more question- if this is genetic and you have this in your program and you hunt in an area with a very low hog population, would this trait remain in the dogs over time even if they were unsuccessful in finding another hog due to limited hogs in the area?

[KevinN]

The ORIGINAL "Tater" dogs do it and they weren't TAUGHT to do it.

Those same dogs have some offspring or close kin that are young dogs but are starting to do it as well.

How much farther down the line that traits gonna travel.....not really sure....we'll see.

[ChanceandAnita]

I agree I think the wind might be a factor in this I have one dog that has rolled out 3 different times one time hunting with Kevin  one time was in a sounder but didn't find any more hogs the other time caught a little sow rolled out and bayed another sent a rugh old dog to her but he couldn't hold it by him self it got away

[T-Bob Parker]

I don't have a "breeding Program" so All I can say is all the ones I've gotten from my favorite line go roll out after a caught hog.  And I can answer about a low hog population. I have plum crappy hunting spots with next to no hogs and even though they usually don't find a second one on my spots, they do quickly leave the caught hog and make a decent circle around the bay area to see if they smell a different track than the one they bayed on.


And heck yeah Peachcreek, there's several guys on here who have said they can train your dogs to shut down a runner!

Not me, I'm not much of a dog trainer, I need dogs that'll take me hunting...  

[JessseJames]

Gotta teach a pointer to point birds. Labs to retrieve.  Border collies to herd. Bulldogs to catch(whatever moves). A true game bred to be game.  A heeler to heel.  If specific trait are bred for intensely and extensively then yes someone could have a whole pack of rollin out dogs. But that is only one trait in a myriad of many traits that some one may or may not want and probably isn't the lone factor that is being bred for.

[KevinN]

Before you 100% believe the Genetic stuff, you may want to do some research.  Google dog genetics and focus on DNA, Genes, Allels, and other basic terminology.  I think you will find that genetics is more closely aligned with things such as color, size, hair coat, and other anatomy and physiological similarities. 

You may want to go back and re-read. The ones I've "tried" to understand, lol....have said that hunting traits ARE genetic but as of this time they have NO clue which genes control which traits.

You think your plotts hunting skills just materialize out of thin air?  

Obviously genetics play a HUGE roll in the hunting traits a dog passes on to its offspring. Nose, Range, Gritt, Bottom and YES rolling out can all be passed down.

[Mike]

Most of mine will roll out after catching a hog... no training involved.
We've discussed the training vs genetics on here more times than I can remember.

You can't train the hunt, drive and want to in a dog... they either have it or they don't. No "trainer" has proven me wrong yet.

[t.wilbanks]

Hoghunter71409,

If rolling out was something that could be taught, why haven't your plotts learned from you little gyp to roll out?

If she's rolling out and finding hogs, then according to you statement you would think Atleast one of them plotts would have caught on by now...

Not downing your dogs, just trying to make sense of what you said..

[Peachcreek]

I dont have a line of dogs but i have seen mikes black dogs consistently roll out after a catch for the last few years. His Tweety dog did it. Her daughter and son did it. Her grandsons hunter and styker did it. Three or four of the Tweety Obama pups do it. And the two 10 month old pups out of hunter we have been hunting do it. This is in low hog population areas mostly. I have seen it time after time. Its not that they are following an older dog or anything they might go in opposite directions, they just go hunting. I have a couple dogs from different lines that roll out after a catch as well, these dogs were doing it from 9 months old. The dogs i started out hunting with wouldn't leave a hog until you killed it and even then it took allot of convincing. To me if a dog truely likes to HUNT they will roll out. So i think it is genetics mostly but might be able to " train" a dog that doesnt come by it naturally. Just my two cents

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[Peachcreek]

Haha. Guess ya beat me to it

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[Reuben]

I think with some dogs it can be trained only because they are already good hunting dogs...but just like most good hunting dogs...they are born to do it naturally...that trait is not one that I care for...trying to catch a dog before catching the hog...makes it for a long night when one is ready to go home...

[hoghunter71409]

I'll try to re-explain.  If it doesn't come out right, than I'll just go to bed dream about deer season being over so that I can get back to hunting instead of flapping my jaws on this forum.  I absolutely  believe that hunt, gritt, nose, speed, color, hair texture, height, and weight, are genetic.  When dogs are chosen carefully, these traits can be passed and in some cases strengthen or in some cases weakened.  If a dog has a tremendous amount of hunt in it, the dog is likely to smell another hog track or work his way back to a pack and find another hog.  I call this hunt!  Some dogs have a lot of "hustle" they go run everywhere and check every bush, and if there is a hog around they are going to find it.  So many different dogs have hunt and so many dogs have different varriations of speed, grit, nose, hunt, and hustle.  Just like there are varriats of color, size and weight.

I don't think roll over is clearly defined enough to call it a trait/genetic make up.  A dog does it or does not do it.  Some do it once and never again and a reason they may do it could be wind or another hog real close by.  Some dogs roll over once in a while and then they don't do it for a long period of time.  If you consider the first traits I mentioned- nose, speed, grit, ect- the dogs that have it do it all the time.  The dogs that don't do it, don't it because they don't have it. 

I think rolling over  is to lose of a term.  I believe it is a term that hog hunters have phrased- but it is not genetic.  If it was a gene, would a retriever that goes out again and again be a good roll over dog or would a duck/bird hunter call that hunt?

When I researched the gene, DNA, and other terms (which Im not trained in), I cannot put what we call roll over in one of those categories.  It is not something that is talked about when we talk about things we breed for.  We don't really talk about the term hustle either.

So, after all of this, I don't know that you can teach roll over , but I am not certain it is genetic.  I think you can promote roll over by not allowing dogs to stay with a caught hog.  You have to train them that the object is to find and bay, find and bay, find and bay.  Once you have taught this, I think you could say a dog is trained to roll over or you could say a dog is trained not to stay at a caught hog.

So there it is, that's what I think, now my head hurts so I am going to finish watching the football game and wish I did not have to work tomorrow!  Is it time to hog hunt yet??

[jwdeltx]

 I think the most important thing is to pick up the hog after you tie or stab them. The dogs then have no hog to chew on and leave out after another. Has worked in the past for me. HUNT" UM UP !!!!

[Peachcreek]

How would nose and speed be any different than rollin off? It is all on how their brain is wired. Speaking of brain you are making mine hurt.. lol

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