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« Reply #40 on: December 09, 2013, 09:56:47 pm » |
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the meaning of rolling over to me is that as son as the hog is caught the bay dog rolls out on another track which means that there were more hogs in the pack and the dog is on there track... I like gritty strike dogs so most of the time they will be caught a while before we get there and the dogs need a short break from that exertion ...but after a few minutes the dogs will roll out on the hunt...I am perfectly fine with that style of dog...kind of getting off subject...  |
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« Reply #41 on: December 09, 2013, 10:12:24 pm » |
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To me rolling over is what you teach rover to do for a treat. Sit, stay, play dead etc are things that can be trained
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« Reply #42 on: December 09, 2013, 11:36:14 pm » |
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It's been my experience that the true stock bred dogs have a lot greater tendancy to do it naturally. I'm talking dogs bred with way more interest in baying and working stock than biting. I've never raised one whose mind I couldn't change, but the catchier the dog, the harder it can be. So in a sense, I do believe it is genetically inherited.
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« Reply #43 on: December 10, 2013, 05:01:29 am » |
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It's been my experience that the true stock bred dogs have a lot greater tendancy to do it naturally. I'm talking dogs bred with way more interest in baying and working stock than biting. I've never raised one whose mind I couldn't change, but the catchier the dog, the harder it can be. So in a sense, I do believe it is genetically inherited.
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« Reply #44 on: December 10, 2013, 08:22:07 am » |
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The guy was asking for help on training, Not all this BLA BLA BLA. So do's anyone else have anything helpful ?
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« Reply #45 on: December 10, 2013, 11:59:17 am » |
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"How would nose and speed be any different than rollin off? It is all on how their brain is wired. Speaking of brain you are making mine hurt"
This above statement says it all....
Its not how the brain is wired. The brain changes and learns based on experiencs- TRAINING. - not genetics. Exaclty why I asked the person to research and not believe everything they hear on here.
Nose, speed (bone structure- and short/long twitch muscles) and made from a dog's genetic make up not training.
I can agree with Bryant that some stock bred lines take to this easier or more naturally than others.
boatrunner- you are correct, we should be ansering the man's question instead of the blah blah blah.
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« Reply #46 on: December 10, 2013, 12:06:06 pm » |
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Where can I send my culls for training??? All the blah, blah, blah is full of useful information that most have lived and learned.  |
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« Reply #47 on: December 10, 2013, 12:13:27 pm » |
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To me rolling over is what you teach rover to do for a treat. Sit, stay, play dead etc are things that can be trained
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« Reply #48 on: December 10, 2013, 12:21:03 pm » |
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The group of people and dogs that we hunt together one year ago we only had one dog that would roll out. That dog is no longer with us. For a couple months we would catch one hog then have to drive to a new spot and turn dogs out. What we did was when they all catch and you get there. get all dogs off besides catchdogs. Don't let dogs sit there and bark and bite at the hog while your trying to tie it up. One person would gather all the baydogs up and walk them away from the caught hog telling them to get ahead and hunt. It took a couple months but at one point we had 5 different dogs that once they saw us they would roll out before we even told them to. Occasionally they will help catch but we just get them off and tell them to get ahead and they will. I don't mind my dogs helping catch but once my bulldog is there and I have ahold of the hog I want them to be off hunting that way the time we get the hog out of the woods they are on another.
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« Reply #50 on: December 10, 2013, 09:27:07 pm » |
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Well fellas, my gamey gyp rolled out on a hunt today, story up in a few almost lost a catch dog in the process. After today I believe for my dog to roll out there has to be multiple pigs in the area.
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« Reply #51 on: December 15, 2013, 06:38:05 pm » |
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I don't want mine to roll our on their own, I'd rather give the command to get ahead after the hog is caught but I got 2 here that roll on their own and it makes for some long days, also can be dangerous when it's 100 degrees out.
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Yep Ben...when I hunt with Blake and his Tater dog....sometimes by the third or forth or seventh hog, lol....we look at each other and say "grab Tater before we leg the hog"...lol Tator dogs are natural rolling dogs....However, I have a young male, Roscoe, that is Tator Sr. great grandson/Freak's grandson....He needed a little encouragement at about 14 months with a shock collar. He now rolls.....I don't believe in shocking a dog off of a hog unless you are sure the dog knows he did a good job, but once the hog is caught, if he stays, barks, etc, I gave him a very low voltage shock and he was gone..... |
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« Reply #52 on: December 15, 2013, 06:40:58 pm » |
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The ORIGINAL "Tater" dogs do it and they weren't TAUGHT to do it.
Those same dogs have some offspring or close kin that are young dogs but are starting to do it as well.
How much farther down the line that traits gonna travel.....not really sure....we'll see.
Just saw this....Roscoe is Tator Sr.'s great grandson; Freaks grandson....He needed encouragement. If you remember, you were questioning me the first time I shocked him off of a hog at that big lake. That is when he rolled and bayed over the dike; Jasper went to him, and they caught...... |
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