New laws in florida. Look out guys, coming to a county near you.

[Treezbulldogz]

I hear ya about some people not chaining up properly. There's a dog right around the corner from me who lives on about a 5 ft chain. And that's not right but It's not my business to do anything about it. If AC has a problem with it, they can see it just like I do walking past. The keyword in my post about the chain setup is "properly", not everybody does it but if done right, there's no better way to house a bulldog IMO.

[Treezbulldogz]

Not arguing my man, just difference of certain opinions and discussing it. Me personally, I have a fenced yard right now but if I didn't my only concern with strays and being bred would be a stud of mine sending a stray bitch down the road with possible puppies in her as I keep my bitches in heat in a above ground kennel during her cycle. I completely understand about stuff getting caught up in a chain, my issue is with straw/hay. But even with a wrap up with one of those the dogs can easily get in their house or in some shade. And I've never delt with tumbleweed so idk about that but my wrap ups easily work itself out. Not everybody has the same ideas or opinions and that's what makes the world so wonderful, just expressing a different but IMO very important side of the spectrum.

[KevinN]

Treez....your probably talking about a certain "strain"   of bulldog I would imagine.

I've had APBT's and American Bulldogs and crosses of the two for years that I have kenneled and never had any issues concerning fence fighting/ aggression or breaking of teeth.

As you say....just different kinds of dogs.

Again...I don't have an issue with anyone using chains....I just think pens are better and I myself chose not to use chains.

[KevinN]

No worries brother!

[Treezbulldogz]

Yes sir, was only speaking for the bulldog side of it. We see eye to eye on the topic. If I ever get bay dogs or guard dogs then I'd rethink the best ideal situation for that. Just speaking on my dogs and the math that I always bring up when the discussion of kennel vs chain comes up with me    Just a difference of opinions is it.


I also agree what was just said about doing something before it's too late. I know alot of times these ordinances get passed before most of the citizens even know it's being voted for. You know the media only wants to report it after it gets passed.

[Treezbulldogz]

W.O.W, I just realized you brought the size aspect of chains further up on the 1st page, I read it but obviously not good enough lol. I said I didn't see it above so I brought it up further down, my apologies.

[joshlvg]

oh im not going to hurt anyone there just a lot of them they are going to have to get lol. plus neighbors dogs, and guy next to him. Shoot they better just bring the pink shots and start giving them to them there, they wont have room to house all the dogs they will have to get nor will they have enough ticket books to write all the tickets so im not worried for awhile. they be full by the time they get to my house.lol

[Shotgun wg]

I'm like others. My main problem is I don't like them telling me how I can contain my dogs as long as all needs are met. Most of mine are on 20' tieouts. My bulldog is in a 20x20 kennel. Luckily I live in AR and this don't effect me. If it passes tho it is only a matter of time before it passes in other places.


Shotgun
Arkansas

[rdjustham]

Guys, the ranchers around here put up a stink and now there is an exception for working dogs.  As long as the owner has a hunting license then you don't have to sterilize the animal.  So now I am FORCED to buy a hunting license when its not necessary to otherwise do so.  Its all a load of crap!  Personally I think this would be a violation of the fourth amendment and id like to see them try to enforce it.  The lawsuits should just about break the county.

[MrsLouisianaHogDog]

I use to keep dogs on chains as well. I just switched to pens and that's my preference.
I have 2 pens that are 8X8 (64sq feet) - 4 that are 8X16 (128sq feet) and one that is 16X32 (about 480sq feet?). Anyway.....

I'm not arguing about anything and I don't care to....I'll just give my reasoning.

I've had dogs that were on chains....inside a "dog yard"....
1. Get bred by strays
2. Die from exposure because of a tumbleweed getting tangled in the chain/post while I was out of town over nite (yes it actually happened)

Since putting my dogs in pens I've had ZERO issues whatsoever. Sure....you have to figure out who can be kenneled together/next to each other and who can't. Who needs an escape proof kennel and who doesn't but once that is done.... It's cake!

I totally hear ya. We all have valid points. I'm not against pens, but I am against them folks trying to make a law telling me I have NO choice in the matter. As far as my dogs getting bred by strays....that would be the last thing I'd have to worry about with any of my dogs (majority bulldogs) ;-p

We do rake out spots at least three times a week to keep them free of leaves/build up around the poles. Been lucky there, our spots are real smooth and clean/clear. Never had one get stuck/caught up yet, but if not maintained, of course it is possible.

[Treezbulldogz]

I hear ya rd, but I'd go buy that license with a   on my face if I was you. Seriously,that sounds like a good deal considering the current situation. Congrats to you!

[MrsLouisianaHogDog]

Sorry bout my last post, don't know why it made the whole thing as a quote :/

[WayOutWest]

I hear ya RD about that license thing. It is just another thing to force on you. James Crenshaw, the Breeder of Ch Jeep had the SPCA come with the law and do a search of his place. LEO's found nothing to cite him for but he was forced to get a kennel license. That doesn't sound like a big deal but you sign papers giving them right come on your property any time they want. THAT bothers me, the LEO's need a reason to come but animal control needs no reason. At that point Crenshaw got rid of his dogs! 

[jimco]

Everyone talks tuff about how they better come prepared when they come to get your dogs but believe me they will. And if you choose to fight them they will get whatever reinforcements they need. It's too damn late to fight after they have the law and are enforcing it. It needs to be fought before they pass it.

I looked it up online. There are only 5 county commissioners for Lee County. If every one with hunting dogs, ranch dogs, or any breed of dog owners who are against this proposed ordinance
would show up in force at a county commission meeting and voice your concerns and let it be known publicly how much you are against this, I would bet the proposal would fail. There are 5
commissioners, you only have to get 3 of them to back off. As WayOutWest mentioned, the time to fight it is NOW, not after it passes.  At the county level, the commissioners can't take the heat of a packed, angry meeting room. Some commissioners will stick to there guns, some will cave to the pressure.

[rdjustham]

Yeah they tried sliding this through with out so much as a peep to the public, however a hunting rights advocate in Tallahassee saw it and got the ball rolling to have the exemption put into place.  The ordinance is already in and will go into effect for one year starting may 1st.

As far as them coming prepared with the law, I don't know a single judge in this county that would sign a search warrant to allow them entry to see if your dogs were sterilized your animals or to measure your pens.  I have a 6ft privacy fence around my yard and nothing is visible from the street so they would need that search warrant.

[Shotgun wg]

The fact that it was a hunting rights activist that saw it and got the ball rolling for the exemption should be enough for every dog hunter in Florida to join their dog hunters association. Without them y'all would be looking at a new law that woulda been a pain.

If the state dog hunters association does not get a boost in numbers after this I say shame on y'all.


Shotgun
Arkansas

[cajunl]

Dog hunters association in Florida??...lol lol. That is a very good joke!

[Shotgun wg]

But in calls to commissioners this week, Florida Dog Hunters and Sportsman’s Association lobbyist Lane Stephens urged them to consider loosening the measures for hunting dogs.

This is from the article. So why is it such a joke. They are the ones that helped get the exemption


Shotgun
Arkansas

[jimco]

Dog hunters association in Florida??...lol lol. That is a very good joke!

y'all better get united and help support one of them groups that fought for trying to get the exemption. It wont be to big of a joke when they end up passing something like this in your
own back yards.  Folks can talk all that tough chit you want, but when it becomes law they will
enforce it.   Case in point : Cock fighting in Louisiana. I heard it all, such as , It will be a cold day
in hell before they tell me what I can do with my birds. Well, we all know how that turned out.
Cock Fighting was banned by our state legislature who was being pressured by U.S. government.

Hell, this dog ordinance is being proposed by y'alls County commissioners. There are only 5 of them. Read my previous post.  They DON'T like a packed, angry meeting room. They will back down.  BUT, if no one shows up to show opposition, guess where it's heading.

[pblenis]

This proposed law is exactly what America has become.  Legislating to the minority.  By this I mean punishing everyone, even 'good' dog owners, because of the select few who don't take care of their animals. 

It's hard to stop stuff like this because it's easy to sell to the average person.  "We only want pets living inside and we don't want unwanted puppies", what average person isn't going to agree in concept; however, we know it's just another way to throw a big net over a small problem.  Forget enforcing current animal abuse laws, let's just cast as wide a net as possible.

We all know that @$$hats who don't take care of their pets, but those are the minority and a small minority at that. 

Look at the APBT/Am Staff/Bullie.  Millions owned across the country.  And everyone knows even game bred APBT are not human aggressive.  But because of those .1% of owners who raise monsters, all bulldogs are dangerous.  Thus the breed specific legislation running rampant.

Hunter's better rally on this or your going to be hunting hogs with Irish Setters and German Sheperds.