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« on: August 26, 2009, 09:34:42 pm » |
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Me and my buddy went hunting last night to a place we rarely hunt. I had seen a big boar there right before dark. Well anyways we dumped them and walked a creek bottom got a bay ran up to an got into a field and the dogs came back. We shined the light in the field and saw a pink hog right by us the dogs bayed it up we tryed to call them off but they wouldnt and the hog broke on to another property whos we didnt know or have a permission. We herd a guy yell close to the dogs but we were to scared to go up there so we got picked up by a buddy took us to our truck. And my dog was in the same place on the garmin his wasnt he was moving. But my dog wasnt barking.I was getting nervous hours later found his dog. Then we called the police to try and get them to go in there with us to get the other two dogs. But they couldnt because we didnt know where his drive way was.Then we called his other dog in. Mine was still not mioving same place collar was still on. At three we called it quits to come back in the morning. So this morning around 10 i was freaking out and wanted my dog or too know what happpened to her. I had to diff buddies go with me to look we walked up there and realized he had no fences and half domestic half wild hogs everywhere free roaming. We saw the guys shack and went around it to the last place she was by this time the collar was dead. We walked up to hog pins and there she was laying down on a pallet dead without both collars and no phone calls. i was sick to my stomach just disgusted the best dog i have ever owned top noch in our pack of fours dogs we have together. Well i knew the cops couldnt help unless i found his drive way. Well it took till four oclock i met his neighbor and herd how much problems they have with eachothother. Then i called the elemendorf sheriffs dept. A sheriff showed an hour and half later. We went to his house got both collars back.showed the police the dog and the guy said he beat it with a pipe till it died. Saw about a hundred free ranging hogs just everywhere. The police said they cant do anything to him because he has pins for the hogs even though he only had 4 in a pen. and the rest can go wherever. I really want some help i want to press charges on this guy i dont want him to get away with this if i can do something about it. This is the best dog i have ever owned been on over 800 hogs she was a good one. R.I.P SPICE. PLEASE HELP
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cantexduck
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« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2009, 09:43:00 pm » |
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I am really sorry about your dog.
Please pm Monteria(Steve) and see what advice he can offer to you.
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There's a coon, nevermind, thats Buster.
"So I pawned my lacy off to my girlfriend. That should teach her to meet men off match.com"
Rich.
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Mike
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« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2009, 09:44:32 pm » |
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Man, that's a tough one... was it his property and his "livestock"? Might need to get some legal advise on this one... maybe Paul, Silverton Boar Dogs, will know a little more on this.
I hate to hear that... sorry for your loss.
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nollkamperc
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« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2009, 09:45:16 pm » |
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Thanks. I want some ideas on what the laws are.
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nollkamperc
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« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2009, 09:46:50 pm » |
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Mike I understand that but how can they be livestock when they can roam everywhere.
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2joe
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« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2009, 09:49:29 pm » |
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That sux!!!!!!!!!
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I ain't huntin if it ain't gruntin.
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« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2009, 09:51:22 pm » |
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Call a lawyer, thats why i have pre paid leagul its only 20 bucks a month.. what did the sheriff say about him beeting the dog to death with a pipe?? that cant be leagul!
I think the real lesson learned is always go to the dog asap and deal with the problem we have permission to get our livestock if it goes on another property!
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« Last Edit: August 26, 2009, 09:53:10 pm by Mike »
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Mike
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« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2009, 09:51:50 pm » |
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Mike I understand that but how can they be livestock when they can roam everywhere.
Man, I don't know... hopefully someone can answer that for us. |
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nollkamperc
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« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2009, 09:54:38 pm » |
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Makemsqueel Yeah we Would have but we herd the crazy guy yelling. Today when i saw where he lived. WIth no power or electric no running water and his house was about as small as a normal bathroom.
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Mike
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« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2009, 09:54:57 pm » |
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Guys, i'm only gonna say this once... leave the negative comments out of this post. Keep your private thoughts private.
The man is asking for help.
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sm159144
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« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2009, 09:57:40 pm » |
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They are not considered livestock. About 5 years ago in arkansas a case similar to this happened except it was with a cow. I remember to this day exactly what happened cause when I was a kid I always thought about hunting cows. Anyways, a guy had free ranging cows that roamed wherever they wanted. There was a guy deer hunting and decided to take one out. He shot it loaded it with a tractor and took it to a butcher. The owner found out and pressed charges only to find out that because there were NO fences and NO brands he couldn't do anything about it. It was simply a wild cow. This seems terrible but if you can keep your dogs body and get it turned in as animal abuse and prove it in court he will see prison time. I'm sorry about your dog and just hearing about it really clinches my fist. I might have to come to you and help you get some GOOD OLE SOUTHERN JUSTICE BROTHER!! It's best to keep it in the courtroom though. best of luck to you
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Southern Bred Hog Doggin. Go teeth or go home.
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« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2009, 09:57:40 pm » |
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man I hate to hear that any sick daddy didn't marry mommy that can beat a dog to death with a pipe is a Sorry sob.
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« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2009, 09:58:26 pm » |
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real sorry to hear about your dog. i hope you get some justice!!!
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« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2009, 10:00:05 pm » |
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thats prob the website replacing a few words but you get my point
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nollkamperc
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« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2009, 10:01:55 pm » |
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Sm You dont think him having pens would change anything the hogs do run where ever they want. But he does have some penned up but thats not the ones we had bayed up.
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Swine Stoppers
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« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2009, 10:03:37 pm » |
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Sorry about the loss he sounds like one of them guys you just wanna make dissapear. I heard a story like that before theres a lady up around pleasonton that feeds wild hogs like that. She has sued a couple of people for shooting them. When she catches new hogs she takes them to a vet and has them castrated or spayed.
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cantexduck
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« Reply #16 on: August 26, 2009, 10:08:22 pm » |
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Being pened up of not doesnt change the fact that he owned the pigs......... He has the right to protect his livestock(pigs) but that doesnt included beating a dog to death with a pipe. If your cow gets out of the pasture it is still YOUR cow................
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There's a coon, nevermind, thats Buster.
"So I pawned my lacy off to my girlfriend. That should teach her to meet men off match.com"
Rich.
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Silverton Boar Dogs
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« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2009, 10:11:05 pm » |
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Sorry for your loss. Being livestock doesent have anything to do with how they are contained. It is not against the law to kill a dog that is attacking your livestock.
Here is the Law,
Sec. 822.011. DEFINITIONS. In this subchapter:
(1) "Dog or coyote" includes a crossbreed between a dog and a coyote.
(2) "Livestock" includes exotic livestock as defined by Section 161.001, Agriculture Code.
Added by Acts 2003, 78th Leg., ch. 1002, Sec. 1, eff. Sept. 1, 2003.
Sec. 822.012. CERTAIN DOGS AND COYOTES PROHIBITED FROM RUNNING AT LARGE; CRIMINAL PENALTY. (a) The owner, keeper, or person in control of a dog or coyote that the owner, keeper, or person knows is accustomed to run, worry, or kill livestock, domestic animals, or fowls may not permit the dog or coyote to run at large.
(b) A person who violates this section commits an offense. An offense under this subsection is punishable by a fine of not more than $100.
(c) Each time a dog or coyote runs at large in violation of this section constitutes a separate offense.
Added by Acts 1989, 71st Leg., ch. 678, Sec. 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1989. Renumbered from Health & Safety Code Sec. 822.011 and amended by Acts 2003, 78th Leg., ch. 1002, Sec. 1, eff. Sept. 1, 2003.
Sec. 822.013. DOGS OR COYOTES THAT ATTACK ANIMALS. (a) A dog or coyote that is attacking, is about to attack, or has recently attacked livestock, domestic animals, or fowls may be killed by:
(1) any person witnessing the attack; or
(2) the attacked animal's owner or a person acting on behalf of the owner if the owner or person has knowledge of the attack.
(b) A person who kills a dog or coyote as provided by this section is not liable for damages to the owner, keeper, or person in control of the dog or coyote.
(c) A person who discovers on the person's property a dog or coyote known or suspected of having killed livestock, domestic animals, or fowls may detain or impound the dog or coyote and return it to its owner or deliver the dog or coyote to the local animal control authority. The owner of the dog or coyote is liable for all costs incurred in the capture and care of the dog or coyote and all damage done by the dog or coyote.
(d) The owner, keeper, or person in control of a dog or coyote that is known to have attacked livestock, domestic animals, or fowls shall control the dog or coyote in a manner approved by the local animal control authority.
(e) A person is not required to acquire a hunting license under Section 42.002, Parks and Wildlife Code, to kill a dog or coyote under this section.
Added by Acts 1989, 71st Leg., ch. 678, Sec. 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1989. Renumbered from Health & Safety Code Sec. 822.033 and amended by Acts 2003, 78th Leg., ch. 1002, Sec. 1, eff. Sept. 1, 2003.
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Mike
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« Reply #18 on: August 26, 2009, 10:13:33 pm » |
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Paul, I kinda figured that on the livestock issue... but what aboutbeating the dog with a pipe?
Couldn't charges be filed for that?
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Silverton Boar Dogs
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« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2009, 10:14:49 pm » |
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This means that by law, domestic hogs are livestock, feral hogs are exotic livestock.
§ 161.001. DEFINITIONS. (a) In this chapter:
(1) "Animal" includes livestock, exotic livestock,
domestic fowl, and exotic fowl.
(2) "Commission" means the Texas Animal Health
Commission.
(3) Repealed by Acts 2003, 78th Leg., ch. 604, § 5.
(4) "Exotic livestock" means grass-eating or
plant-eating, single-hooved or cloven-hooved mammals that are not
indigenous to this state and are known as ungulates, including
animals from the swine, horse, tapir, rhinoceros, elephant, deer,
and antelope families.
(5) "Exotic fowl" means any avian species that is not
indigenous to this state. The term includes ratites.
(b) References in Subchapter A, C, D, E, or H of this
chapter to "livestock," "domestic animals," "domestic fowl," or
other specifically named animals shall be construed to include all
or part of the carcasses of those animals.
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