Long range bmc

[BigCutters4]

I had someone asking me about long range bmc that has lots of bottom and med grit. does anyone breed consistent long range bmc and sell them or trade dogs someone said Bob owens clue anderson Ben jordan dogs .

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[jdt]

nobodys dogs are 100% consistent .... on anything .


if they tell you otherwise , clutch your wallet while heading the other direction !!!!!!

[JoshStokley]

There are culls in any family of dogs but as whole that is a solid line of dogs.  I have been lucky enough to hunt behind a handful of them and have a few of my own.  Every grown dog i have seen out of that line are long range with plenty of hunt, nose, bottom, grit and stock sense.  They don't come much better in my opinion.

[Cajun]

If I am not mistaken, Clue Anderson uses his Blackmouths on cows & uses Plotts on hogs. Is this correct. I know he has some pretty good cow dogs .

[JoshStokley]

Yes sir you would be correct.  I've heard him say he wouldn't waste a good yella dog on a hog lol.

[Bonnie_Clyde]

I'm sure there might be a freak of nature Black mouth that you could call long range, but really this bread if too run with a Plot Hound like Cajon and other hound guys have, no black mouth is long range, there hot track dogs. I know I'll get high blood pressure people come on here stating other wise, but thats just fact.

[barlow]

To state that "no black mouth is long range, there hot track dogs" . . and to follow it up by declaring your statement to be fact shows a very limited knowledge and lack of experience . . not only with a specific type of dogs, but in communicating well with others. The group of dogs commonly referred to as Blackmouth is about as varied as the number of races and ethnic origins that make up America. Could you state that all Americans are blonde? That they're all tall? That they're all hard working people? Definitely not. You're welcome to your opinion and it's as valuable to you as mine is to me. But because you've only hunted behind close ranging, hot nosed dogs does not qualify you to make mass quantifying statements in the absolute. No single breed of dogs is 100% anything all of the time. Nothing is anything always.

I've hunted with a very broad sampling of Plotts and curs. In my experiences I have seen first hand more wide hunting cur dogs than I have Plotts and that includes a good number of families of bear bred dogs. The reason for this I feel is that the vast majority of bear hunters do not free cast their dogs in search of bears. They rig. They hunt off of baits. But low density bear populations do not often reward hunters who turn out their dogs in hope of just randomly stumbling across fresh bear scent. As with most traits, if you do not prove it in your breeding stock you don't hold onto it. This doesn't mean Plotts are close hunters. Just that many of them wouldn't know what to do if free cast. Which, after all, is the measure of close versus long range.

Several weeks ago you commented in response to a picture of a dog that I posted . . that you didn't care what I said, you knew for a fact that it was of Ladner breeding. I've owned and/or hunted behind these dogs for 6 or 7 generations and I can assure you that neither myself nor anyone I would willingly hunt, breed or associate with would knowingly breed squirrel dog into their dogs. So either myself or the men who owned the dogs behind mine is lying about their pedigrees . . or you are unclear about the difference between fact and opinion.

[HS]

Haha i figured he was at the bar again...

[Judge peel]

What's wrong with squirrel dogs they bring big time hunt and drive into the mix to me basically a yella hound. Most that I have seen of that line have been very good dogs. Mnt curs are tree dogs and they make out standing hog dogs jmo


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[SaltyhoggerJr]

If you ever find a dog that never throws a cull feel free to let me know. It's all on preference. There's guys that you wouldn't catch them dead feedin anything other than a cur & consistently puttin pork on the ground. There's culls in EVERYTHING no dog throws superstars every litter. I've seen a handful of curs leave a hound in the dust, granted it wasn't the fastest dog but that yella dog straight up shat on that hound and went and found him self a hog. There's great ones, good ones and number 2ty ones. Just gotta put the time In and figure out which is which.

[halfbreed]

   lmao  true dat !!!!    it is a lot harder to strike stick and sort out an old coons feeder track and push it to tree than it is to jump a stinking hot hog track and bay it up .  ain't a darn thing wrong with the nose and drive as well as grit of a ladner bred dog . and just for grins everybody that knows me knows , I don't even  like a yaller dog and own none ! huntin dogs is huntin dogs . if they got the hunt they will hunt whatever ya let um .

  this thread should get good on a slow sunday morn , think i'll put on another cup of jo   lol .

  but to get back to range , it isn't so much the line of dogs Imo as it is individual dogs within the line and would possibly fall into the   nature vs nurture category as well .

   i'll be back to watch this one  . 

[Bonnie_Clyde]

Barlow, I may not have worded  my comment properly,  but I'm not talking about Mt.curs or Lander breed dog. These dogs hunting hogs in my Opinion range out like a hound but cover every square inch running hogs... And you damn right I will tell you  a stock Black mouth doesn't hunt out like these dogs I have mention. I own
BEN JORDAN STOCK and wouldn't trade them off for other dogs and have been working cattle in  South Texas with blackmouth dogs for decades  with these wonderful dogs. The difference is I'm older and have worked behind just about every dog out there, just putting out facts I'm sorry opinion! !!!!

[Cajun]

Not knocking Ladner curs at all. Mr. Ladner lives about a hour or so away from me & we have tried several of his curs on hogs & for us, they did not work out on hogs but he does breed for squirrel dogs. This was 20-25 years ago. I understand completely what Barlow is saying. It is hard enough to get good dogs out of dogs bred for hogs rather then go looking for dogs bred for some other game.

[Judge peel]

I have had good luck with tree cur but not with hound except the two plots we been runing but the curs take over once the track heats up but one good thing bout them if they lose them they put the other dogs back on em


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