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« on: March 29, 2014, 10:08:21 pm » |
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My question to yall is what do yall call short medium and long rang mine is
short- 50-350 yards
medium-355-650 yards
long - 605 and up
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Bonnie_Clyde
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« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2014, 12:13:43 am » |
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Long range is a mile to infinity........
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barlow
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« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2014, 12:31:07 am » |
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The range of a dog is most obvious in the unsuccessful ones. The right kind of dog will always be with a hog, regardless of where he has to go to find em.
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t-dog
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« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2014, 07:55:03 am » |
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I would agree with you on your gauging Wildchild, before they get in sign. I hear people classify their dogs as medium or long range because they will go however far once they are in hog sign. I class mine on how far out they hunt before there is any kind of hog sign. In other words a dog that will only strike off the rig can't be called a long range dog just because he can wind hogs from 400 yards or more if he won't leave the rig to do it. Not knocking that style, just using as a range example from my point of view.
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« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2014, 07:58:33 am » |
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I wouldn't classify a dog good or bad due to the range it hunts. I have seen rangy dogs miss hogs they went right pass and short range dogs not go far enough I just look at what they put on the table when asked to due the task Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - now Free |
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« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2014, 10:58:33 am » |
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I guess if I had to put a number on it then I'd agree with wildchild. I don't see anything wrong with a short to medium range dog if they stay busy. I've caught plenty of hogs behind that type of dog. As far as long range goes I love a dog that will get gone and hunt out as far as it needs to find a hog. That being said I see a lot of people talking about their long range dogs that just run a straight line until they cross a track or run half a mile before they start hunting. In my opinion a "long range" dog that will get out there isn't worth a thing unless they hunt from your feet out.
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Bottom is the determination to finish a task at all cost, even his life.
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wildchild
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« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2014, 01:49:51 pm » |
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Yea t-dog i classify my by how far the hunt out once they get go a hog it turns in to how much bottom they have it no longer about range but thats just my two cents
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Reuben
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« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2014, 06:59:04 pm » |
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I have had dogs that had to be kept on a leash until we were where I wanted then casted...all better be ready to go before turning loose...these type of dogs hunt fore themselves and I really don't like this kind of dog...they will keep hunting out until they hit a good track...
the dog I like best is one where I get ready to roll out and the dog will leave out but is a thorough hunting dog...they constantly check in but cover lots of ground and will take a track as far as needed to bay a hog...this type of dog will keep hunting out if I stop...but as long as they hear the wheeler they will loop around to the right and then back to the left...always looping 3-4 hundred yards to each side of the wheeler...
long range dogs are a pain more often than not...in todays time there are way more smaller places to than larger places to hunt...so the long range dogs will sometimes miss hogs close up because they usually start hunting good in the next ranch...
about a medium range dog that wants to hunt with me is what I prefer...and that dog does not miss very many hogs because it knows where and how to find hogs...and lots of bottom is like a double edged sword...I would rather shorten the race with dog power rather than breeding the bottom out of the dog...
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
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TazD
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« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2014, 07:23:22 am » |
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I agree with Reubin. I Like a medium range, athletic, rough, silent hunter!
I also agree with the Judge. Long, medium, or short range dogs that are not finding hogs are all worthless. A dog that produces hogs consistantly is what I want first and for most.
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« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2014, 08:40:47 am » |
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short range is on a lead , medium range is within hearing , long range out of hearing .
that was in my youth , now with all these gizmo's ?
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« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2014, 09:16:06 am » |
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Wildchild, If I had to put numbers on it, I would pretty much agree with what you posted. I have had dogs that had to be kept on a leash until we were where I wanted then casted...all better be ready to go before turning loose...these type of dogs hunt fore themselves and I really don't like this kind of dog...they will keep hunting out until they hit a good track...
Different means and methods for everyone...doesn't make it right or wrong. The dogs you describe above are EXACTLY how I demand mine be. Range (in terms of how far they will actually hunt out) is not near as important to me as the fact that they will move out and find a hog without me walking, riding, hissing, or actually doing anything to move them or provoke them to hunt. Perhaps I'm lazy, but casting is my preferred method of hunting and if you use some sense and cast the dogs in a direction to succeed (areas of fresh sign...use the wind to their advantage, etc) it works very well. I will also agree that these types can be a pain...especially on small tracts of property. If I hunted primarily smaller land, then I would probably have to re-think things, or just quit all together as I'm not sure I could stand trying to breed the hunt and hustle out of these dogs. |
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Reuben
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« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2014, 09:38:54 am » |
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I expect a dog to free cast, winding off the rig and roading...I like fast hunting dogs that hunt with me...but if I don't move forward they will keep moving...but there is a point where a dog can be too much dog...I like a dog that can find hogs behind other packs of hog dogs that just passed through heading out to the next ranch to start hunting...
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
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« Reply #12 on: April 01, 2014, 09:50:57 am » |
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If I had to put numbers on it, I would pretty much agree with what
Different means and methods for everyone...doesn't make it right or wrong. The dogs you describe above are EXACTLY how I demand mine be.
Range (in terms of how far they will actually hunt out) is not near as important to me as the fact that they will move out and find a hog without me walking, riding, hissing, or actually doing anything to move them or provoke them to hunt. Perhaps I'm lazy, but casting is my preferred method of hunting and if you use some sense and cast the dogs in a direction to succeed (areas of fresh sign...use the wind to their advantage, etc) it works very well.
I will also agree that these types can be a pain...especially on small tracts of property. If I hunted primarily smaller land, then I would probably have to re-think things, or just quit all together as I'm not sure I could stand trying to breed the hunt and hustle out of these dogs.
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« Reply #13 on: April 01, 2014, 04:17:19 pm » |
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Range is always a interesting topic. Some dogs have it some don't, some people wast it some don't. I prefer to free cast, let the dogs do their job, and I'll go to them. Their still another range of dog. The dog that just knows where the hogs are. Sometimes they run a hot track, sometimes it's an old track , and sometimes they can wind. Range really doesn't describe this type of dogs hunting. This dog doesn't have to hunt circles or long, they just go pretty much strait to the hogs, kind of a sixth sense. It's hard to explain, just have to sit back and watch. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk |
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