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Hunt the Grunt
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« on: April 09, 2014, 12:23:48 pm » |
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Can any of you give me information on razors edge and gotti bloodline blue pits? Have you ever used them for catchdogs? I've never gotten into pit bull bloodlines much and have always used the same line of rednose pits that I've had since I started (no clue on bloodline).
The reason I ask is that, all of the blue pits I have tried would rather fight the hog than catch and hold. It was more biting and letting go with the blue dogs I've seen. I have a friend that has a very pretty female pup they are wanting to give to me. I do need a back up catch dog at the moment so I'm thinking about getting her. The female is half blue pit(razors edge/gotti) and half american bulldog. She is 6 months old, solid black, and pretty as they come. I'm a little skeptical on trying another dog with blue blood b/c I know a lot of them have been bred for looks only. I have no clue of the females lineage but if good looks could catch hogs she would be bad to the bone.
Any information on the bloodlines, or info on 1/2 pit 1/2 american bulldog CD's that you have to offer will be appreciated.
Thanks
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Dino1
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« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2014, 12:36:11 pm » |
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As far as I know, the Gotti line are not pure pitbulls, they are AMERICAN BULLY DOGS which means they probably have some Old English Bulldog or some other bull dog breed mixed in. That is why they are so close to the ground and thick. Research them on the Internet and see. I would go with either a pit/AB mix or a AB/catahoula mix for a catchdog. There are plenty of pure pits that make good catch dogs also.
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Hunt the Grunt
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« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2014, 12:53:57 pm » |
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Thanks. I just googled some pics of both bloodlines and are all the short stocky type bully dogs that I have no use for. I guess the american bulldog in her gave her some height and narrowed her up. She looks really good, but I'm going to pass on getting her.
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sandbank slayer
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« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2014, 01:05:51 pm » |
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Down the lines of alotta blue dogs, especially the bigger ones you see in cali. you can find the neapolitan mastiff introduced for size and color
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SwampHunter
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« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2014, 09:57:20 pm » |
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Some blue dogs make good catch dogs , the ones fighting hog were on small hogs alot or were just crappy blood
I have seen good blue an bad ones same as in any bulldogs
I would get her an give her a try that's all you can do even with proven blood lines there still culls
And bulldogs that won't get ahold with out regripping an such
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MrsLouisianaHogDog
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« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2014, 10:56:56 am » |
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I'd say she's worth a shot as well. Not my flavor, due to the mastiff/Oldie blood introduced somewhere in there (the RE/Gotti type lines), but in all fairness, I have seen some pretty darn good blue coated CD's. The Am Bull in there should help as far as structure goes.
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LQ
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« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2014, 01:15:11 pm » |
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 This is my 1 1/2 year old blue pit. She has no problem with catching. She is not finished. She has to be lead in but will flat out get after a hog. |
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Hog_Hunter_57
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« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2014, 10:26:36 pm » |
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I think you can find bad dogs in all breeds to say a certain color dog won't work? No I do not think that is the case. Give her a shot I have three blues that all catch for several generations also seen several gotti/razors edge catch like a freight train.
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« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2014, 05:00:13 pm » |
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I would not look to use those for working purposes. They were started by people who had no idea how to work let alone select on dogs. Not trying to sound negative, I just know the origins.
Now, if you want the original working ancestors you have to find dogs from Watchdog kennels. Yes the same watchdog kennels that had the ab white fang. Casey had abs and a separate program for blue amstaffs/pits. Those dogs were worked and they were the base for the gotti and razor edge who had other breeds added into them for looks as previously mentioned by others. Casey is out of dogs, but if you want to track down his line ask Gary Fuller on this board. He is close with Casey and may know where dogs off that stuff is stashed. Main point of post is avoid Am. Bullys (Gotti and Razors edge). PS Caseys stuff was UKC/AKC reg blue amstaffs with some game bred blood added back in. Patrick's stuff I believe. I have his old catch comp video.
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grittydog
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« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2014, 06:15:11 pm » |
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When I hear Blue Pit this is what I think of. To me it looks like they have Weenie dog breed into them, long body and short legs..  |
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jhy
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« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2014, 10:19:10 pm » |
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The blue dog blood that is Watchdog these days is Grapevine and TNT blood. They are the only blue dogs I would own if I was to get one. I got a buddy who has them and they are basically game bred built dogs that are blue and plenty of drive for catch work. I have been told that the TNT dogs are based off of Gr. Ch. Art blood. Google River Ridge Kennels or inbox me for his contact info. I think he is planning on a litter out of proven catch dog stock soon.
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"You lose a lot of money chasing hogs and women, but never lose women chasing money."
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gary fuller
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« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2014, 11:46:12 pm » |
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chaos kennels had watchdog blood and there is or was a message board for the watchdog apbt blood
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charles
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« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2014, 08:45:54 am » |
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Lq, thats a good lookin pit ya got there.
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Reuben
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« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2014, 03:45:59 pm » |
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Finished blue male catch dog !!!!
« on: April 04, 2014, 09:16:02 pm »
check in the dog trade...and take a look at that blue dog...he is about as good looking catch dog as any I have seen...
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gary fuller
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« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2014, 08:00:24 pm » |
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ruben, that is a nice lookin bulldog in that add. although watchdog dogs are associated with blue dogs not all of them were blue and not all of em were bred the same. casey was living in indianna i think when he started watchdog kennels. he had some patricks blood, bucky mccoy, masons ch hog as well as some colby blood over the years in addition. i bought a straight bred colby dog from casey/ watchdog over 30 years ago.
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« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2014, 09:03:16 am » |
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She isn't Razor or Gotti, but she is all catch and laid back as she can be. Haul her with anything and the only thing she will catch is a hog. Sleeps with my bottle calves. Got shot in the head with a .22 mag last year and she is back to catching. They hit her in the thickest part of her skull while she was caught on a pig some people turned loose where my nephew was hunting.  |
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shadygrovehawgdawg
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« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2014, 09:04:48 am » |
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That is my grandson in the picture, it was his first hog with me.
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Reuben
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« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2014, 10:23:47 am » |
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It is awesome to have the grand kids along...
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
A hunting dog is born not made...
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WayOutWest
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« Reply #19 on: April 18, 2014, 12:05:18 pm » |
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Let me start by saying that I have never been a fan of the blue dogs thru the years as so many were bred for color only (as were many red noses). But at this point in time you can not just judge a dogs ability to be a catchdog just by it's color. Color is one of the easiest things to nail down in breeding dogs. Once that color is in there you can go to much better specimens within the breed and clean up other structural faults. I hate to say it but I have seen a few very well put together blue dogs and some that were very good catch dogs. The bottom line is that you have to judge that dog by what he is not by his color. Kinda like people that way!
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