Accidental breeding

[Rooster79]

My young gyp on her first heat accidentally got bred by her father. As a pup he would sometimes have seizures, but luckily grew out of it. I've had a couple litters out of him and none of the pups had any problems. My question is, if she is bred what are the chances that these pups will have problems?

[halfbreed]

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[Crib]

My young gyp on her first heat accidentally got bred by her father. As a pup he would sometimes have seizures, but luckily grew out of it. I've had a couple litters out of him and none of the pups had any problems. My question is, if she is bred what are the chances that these pups will have problems?

More information would be needed to have a better idea. Best you can do is warn the prospective owners if you breed her.

[TheRednose]

Thats a tough one, I'm no geneticist but I'm pretty sure it would be a strong chance of them producing one or two that might follow suit or maybe skip a generation and pop back up.

Dont mean to jack your thread Rooster but did that other breeding you posted a while back take?

[TexasHogDogs]

Any of the dogs behind him have seizures, Sire,Dam,Grand Sire are Dam?  If it was just him it might not be genetic might be the way he was born not enuff oxygen something like that  but if any behind him had them the chance might be high .  Probably going to be one of those deals were you just have to wait and see.

[Rooster79]

No Mr Jimmy, he is the first I've seen with it. I read where a lot of dogs carry that gene but it can be unknown. Rednose, I couldn't tell until the last few days, she sure looks like she is getting swell bellied.

[Reuben]

No Mr Jimmy, he is the first I've seen with it. I read where a lot of dogs carry that gene but it can be unknown. Rednose, I couldn't tell until the last few days, she sure looks like she is getting swell bellied.

Like Jimmy said...a cause due to the environment or illness...or if genetic...I have never owned or produced a pup with this disease but have seen a couple with it...

the theory is that it is a recessive trait because none of the parents have to display the trait to pass it on...but both parents will have to carry the bad gene or genes to produce a pup that will have it...and those genes have to match up so the chances are not that high to produce that trait...it is best not to breed a dog that displays that trait but since she is already bred it is not that bad of a deal...just cull them if one or 2 displays the trait...below I pasted where I got my info...off the net of course... 

there currently are no conclusive findings on the mode of inheritance for canine idiopathic epilepsy. However, there are some general theories. Some investigators have theorized that, at least in the breeds they studied, the disorder is likely to be recessive because often two parents that are free of epilepsy produce offspring with epilepsy. Another theory concerns whether the defective gene or genes are carried on the sex chromosomes. (Each dog has 39 pairs of chromosomes which carry all of his or her genes. One member of each pair is inherited from each of the parents. Thirty-eight of these pairs are autosomes and one pair is the sex chromosomes.) Often, when there are sex differences in a trait, the gene for that trait is carried on the sex chromosomes. However, despite the fact that many breeds (though not all) show a higher rate of epilepsy in males than females, the pattern of inheritance across generations suggests that the genes responsible for epilepsy are probably carried on one or more of the autosome pairs. While these two theoretical notions (recessive and autosomal) may indeed prove to be true for many breeds, at the present time, there still is not enough data to draw any firm conclusions, even on the specific breeds for which pedigree analyses have been conducted.

[Rooster79]

Thanks for the info Reuben. This happened last week so still too soon to tell. I would actually consider this breeding if it wasn't for that problem. The little gyp sure impressed me on cows the past couple weeks. I don't plan on breeding that dog anymore, as I don't want to take the chance of passing it on. Those seizures are a horrible thing to watch.

[TexasHogDogs]

I agree with Rueben here.

the theory is that it is a recessive trait because none of the parents have to display the trait to pass it on...but both parents will have to carry the bad gene or genes to produce a pup that will have it...and those genes have to match up so the chances are not that high to produce that trait...it is best not to breed a dog that displays that trait but since she is already bred it is not that bad of a deal...just cull them if one or 2 displays the trait...below I pasted where I got my info...off the net of course...

Rooster I know you proably don't want to hear this.  I know those dogs of yours have been keep family bred for many many years on top of years.  Like most great familys of dogs you breed in close then out some to the same family just dogs further back in the peds and it goes on for years on top of years like this with no problems .  Then all the sudden you start to pop up with a dog like yours that has this out of the blue .  Now am not at all saying this is the case with yours but you might want to look into it a little deeper as you breed.  But what happens is the family is hard hard hard bred and if you go for enuff back in the peds you will see that for the most part they all go back to one are two dogs that your grandfathers used.  They don't look to tight up front but once its all put together in the back people will be big time surprised at just the one are two dogs their bloodlines come from.  If you start to notice dogs more and more having these problems what that is is Mother Nature telling you its time to freshen up that blood with a different bloodline then go right back to doing what your ancesters did for many many years .  I know from experience that these family dogs such as yours they may seem like a big family of dogs but when you really look at it hard they have been kept in your family of people and when it all gets boiled down you run out of places to go and this is what many many bulldog man did we called breeding yourself in a corner .  You just plain run out of fresh blood to breed to with these small families of dogs that's when it is up to the breeder to make the small change that is needed.  If this ends up being the problem you might be having  are starting to have.  It may not even be that but its a good chance it might ,  I have seen it before and once refreshed its like a souped up chevy again and with no signs that you have done anything only the breeder knowing.  This is what I have said many many times on here at some point a man has to go out to keep his line in tact and going at its strongest there is no way to just keep breeding a family of dogs over and over and over and over with out signs starting to pop up.   May no be with yours I don't know but its something to look at closely .  Hope I didn't step over the line just saying what I know . 

[WayOutWest]

Lookin at the bright side of this, if these pups are not showing the seizure issues you should be able to rule out a genetic issue. If they show it you have that answer too! Good luck with it and keep them pups close till you know what you need to know.

[Rooster79]

Thanks y'all, I understand what your sayin. I kind of thought that so this last breeding on my old gyp I found a dog that's only got a little of my blood in him. It should work pretty good.

[TheRednose]

No Mr Jimmy, he is the first I've seen with it. I read where a lot of dogs carry that gene but it can be unknown. Rednose, I couldn't tell until the last few days, she sure looks like she is getting swell bellied.

Oh thats great news! And if the stud is mostly outside blood, just like Jimmy said it should throw some horsepower in them for you. Good luck with both breedings Rooster.