To all you game dog buffs.

[TexasHogDogs]

WayOutWest ,  same thing here you cannot tell no body nothing these days they tend to know it all.  You get them a little bit educated and the next thing you know its kiss my ass I know it all .  They go out they fall on their faces and then next thing you know they are wanting back in .  I use to try and help everybody I could are that would listen get stabbed in the back a couple hundred times you learn with time but with these days and times I have come to the conclusion I don't really give a number 2 no more if you want to listen fine if you don't fine take it somewere else .

[Mike]

Y'all got that right... most of them know it all in a year or two and start teaching you things.

[sandbank slayer]

May not always be the case, but as what most of you would definitely call a youngster I've found that sometimes just as hard as it is for y'all to find someone that'll listen, it's just as hard to find someone that'll talk because of that bad taste thats been left by others before.

[Cajun]

Way Out West, There is a good chance your friend & this guy might know each other. Buddy used a lot of Neblett dogs to start his line. BuddyLee, This guy is also disgusted with the downward trend of game dogs & the direction they have taken. It is funny how in today's society how everybody looks down on game dogs but the old breeders were not looking at fighting dogs as a cruel sport. The breed has been bred for so long to be game, that is what all the old timers were trying to maintain. Extremely game dogs that would not quit.
  Now except for a few dedecated breeders scattered thru out the country the game dog might become a thing of the past.

[Bo Pugh]

what are they talking about like in " casper turns on dog" and red scratches hard. i was just reading some of the matches and didnt know what some of the stuff they was saying meant

[Cajun]

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[Cajun]

Bo, Maybe somebody will chime in & answer. I dont really know either & I am quoting Mr. Buddy on most of this. I just respect anybody who has put a lifetime of breeding dogs of their chosen breed.
  I do have a very small book that has the rules, but it is so small, I doubt if it would copy good.

[TexasHogDogs]

I had the last living daughter of Butch House's Gr Ch Joker...........Her name was Crystal.. I took her and berd her to Gary Samples Mushson .......In that liter there were three dogs my ole Bruiser dog , Rusty and a little gyp.  My ole Bruiser dog went on to produce some great dogs .  When Bruiser was bred to my Gr Ch Hannah gyp it produced some great ones Hall Ch Sugar and more then Sugar went on to produce some great ones herself .... Black Rivers Dempsey was SDJ dog for the year come from these dogs .  I had Don Maloneys Ch Bert on my yard right after his big win and me and Bobby Hall bred Bert to his Miss Boobs bitch along with other gyps of my yard got pics of all of it .......Bert being stuck to Miss Boobs .....Briuser being bred to Gr Ch Hannah......Also a pic of Gary Samples holding Mushson and me holding the last living daughter of Gr Ch Joker my Crystal bitch while they were hung......Later on I ended up with Nigger Toby from Jerry Clemmons we worked at the same Prison Unit together.  I bred Nigger Toby to my Hannah bitch in that liter there were five dogs three males two females ........My Breuax dog 4x ......Gr Ch Katrina 5x winner ....Cain 3x ....Jug ....3x and Tiny a little gyp 2x ......17 wins in one liter of five dogs.  I later met JD Elliott and dusted his pants for him with the Breaux dog in under 9 mins............JD and me become good good friends he would not leave me alone after that wanting the Breuax dog ......He called me every day for two months straight wanting to buy the Breuax dog ask me how many I had like that I said I got a whole yard full of em .  Lmao ........Finally I talked to Jerry and ask about buying Nigger Toby .  He said Jim I want me a big ass motorcycle to ride back and forth to work .............Well guess what JD had a brand new Suzuki 1100 a bad bad machine back then it had 600 miles on it ......This set me to thinking hey JD wants that Brueax dog bad bad bad which he was a one in ten million dog but I could get my hands on Nigger Toby the daddy of him plus I had the momma I could then have the whole nine yards my cake and eat it too.......So sure as the sun comes up JD called the next morning I said JD you want that Breuax dog I will trade him dead even for that Brand New Motorcycle you got there hahahahahahahahaha He didn't say nothing for a min then he said you done lost your mind man I said well that's what I want if you are interested in owning this great dog then you will have to give it up  LMMFAO!!!!!!!!!  JD said no way man !  LMAO well the next morning the phone rang it was JD he said you son of a monkeys uncle come get this got damn thing before I change my mine haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa I left burning rubber to his house got there handed him the lead rope aned Breuax loaded up the Motorcycle got the clean title   went home unloaded it cracked it up went straight to Jerrys house and he was laughing his ass off man he said no way man JD traded you that I said yeah ahahhahahhahhha .  Jerry was the one that set the deal up between me and JD and ole JD said who is this kid Jerry said well I can tell you one thing you better be on your P's and Q's because this boy and his dogs will hand you your ass in a sling and old JD went to laughing Jerry said well now look how it has turned out ahhahahahahahahahahahahaha.  So I handed Jerry the title and I loaded up Nigger Toby and the rest is history !!!!!!!!!

One side note ..................When I got to JD's house that day of the deal between me and him .  I got out shook his hand and ole JD was a charter he looked at my dog and said let me ask you three questions ...........  You want me to take it easy on ya , you want me to hurt ya are you want me to send you and him home in a plastic bag......... Now boy that pissed me off and I looked him straight in the eye and I said ........."I want you to send us home in a plastic bag if you can "  He looked at me with a number 2 eatin grin and it was on brother .  9 mins later JD was pickin his dog up .  After JD got him he told me later on that the Brueax dog was just as good of a dog as Eli Jr , Bullyson are Brendy and said he might just even be better ...Breuax 4x nothing over 20 mins and nothing ever scratched back to him !

[TexasHogDogs]

Forgot to mention ........Brueax was open to the world as a 4x with no takers.

[WayOutWest]

A turn is when the dog turns away from the fight. That is the dog that must scratch first once they get out of hold and handled. Scratch means crossing the pit and resuming the fight. I want to assure you I have had nothing to do with this sport for many years and don't intend on breaking any of these laws. Just sayin in case some leo thinks otherwise.

[TexasHogDogs]

Same here....I have not owned a bulldog in many many years don't want one and have nothing to do with any of it.  All this was many many years ago and pure history.

[Cajun]

I had my doubts about putting this on the internet too but there is so much history here & also, this was legal back in the day.

[TexasHogDogs]

Man am talking 30/35 yrs ago....The articles I got up there are 35 to nearly 60 yes ago some longer.  Ancient History.

[oconee]

A "Turn" is when a dog turns away from its opponent during the match.  "Scratch" is when a the dog crosses the line in the pit in efforts to engage their opponent.  Don't quote me on this but I'm pretty sure failing to "scratch" will result in a loss of the match.   When the article said "red scratched hard" it just meant he crossed with intensity and not just nonchalant.  He really wanted the other dog, in other words.   

Don't quote me on any of this but I spent a lot of time around Johnnie Bettis when my wife was competing in the weight pulling.   Johnnie is well known for his game bred dogs around here and I'm just repeating what I thought I understood them guys to be talking about.

[Bo Pugh]

cajun im glad you put it on the internet i have enjoyed reading it, i wouldnt personally like to fight bulldogs either but have always been fasinated with the stamina they have.

[Reuben]

cajun im glad you put it on the internet i have enjoyed reading it, i wouldnt personally like to fight bulldogs either but have always been fasinated with the stamina they have.

x2...and the courage to get the job done at all costs...I have seen it with my eyes...

[MrsLouisianaHogDog]

Some great reading. I always enjoy the stories of old. I could listen or read all day long.

Always say I was born in the wrong era.

[country man 563]

Well I may not be able to speak for my whole generation but I can tell you when ever any ya'll ole timers need a ear to chew on an tell stories of the good ole days that have past I'm always ready and willing to listen

[TexasHogDogs]

What amazes me is how much you forget when you are not around the bulldogs.  My memory gets jarred sometimes and I will say damn I done forgot all about this are that.  The men in the 30's 40's 50's 60's and even 70's were the great bulldog pioneers.  I was lucky enuff to meet a lot of them and become good friends with even more .  You talk about storys I use to sit around and listen to them for hours and hours .  There was none of this Peds on line and back then nobody told you jack about how this dog are that dog was bred.  You lived the bulldogs back then and nobody would tell you chit .  If you were lucky enuff to aquire a bulldog from one of these men you didn't dare to ask them who is this off of what is his pedigree they would slap you up side the head.  They would tell you if they wanted to and if they didn't it didn't make no difference because if you were smart you would take that dog and cherish it and build your on dogs off of it .  Men were men back then man was not any of this gang banging BS talking crap you would end up in a alligator hole never to be seen again if you got on the bad side of some of these folks .  Am just glad I got to meet who I met and become life long friends with a lot of them.  Most are gone now and all we have is the history they left us .  Man you talk about good times they knew how to have them .  I can remember leaving work at 3 pm on a Fri after noon traveling 200/300  miles  and not getting back home till 5 am Monday morning getting ready to be at work at 7 am and it was nothing but bulldogs bulldogs bulldogs from the time you left till the time you clocked in at work .  Unreal when I sit back and think about it now .

[WayOutWest]

I have a few old buddies I get to visit with at times and the stories get to rollin but by and large a lot of those guys are gone. I did get a call from ol Girley Crum last year lookin for a damn Boston Terrier. Times have changed man! A real good friend with the best eye for a dog I ever saw passed 1 1/2 yrs ago. He was the breeder of Indian Moon and Tonka Bear. When he died I kinda pulled back from all the shows and pulls up here.