To all you game dog buffs.

[oconee]

Reading all this is making me sick!   I had some good stuff myself years ago and I can't for the life of me think what I've done with all them old pics and stories.

   Cajun, have you came a cross anything on the Jeep dog of Crenshaw's?   I had some articles on him several years ago and the best I can remember he was a tremendous dog that sired several Champions.   I been waiting for the perfect Plott, I want to name a dog Jeep so bad, but I want it to be a good'en.  LOL

Thanks for posting and keep this good stuff coming.

[BigFool]

He was a great dog his mother was mentioned in the last pictures. But there are some conflicting stories involved with I had a VERY close relative at his shows and voiced some concerns with the dog. First he was off of a cur that being Bo and that's no secret!! Second in his second show against weenie he made two turns both times looking for the wall but weenie caught him both times and he caught a break when weenie ran hot!!! MANY people say the JEEP dog would have quit that day and that Crenshaw won the match not JEEP!!! Third he was originally matched against CH ANGUS in his fourth show but there was a accident and CH HOMER replaced ANGUS but did not get a full keep. Homer was known for not having a mouth but known for being dead game. Jeep tore Homer's shoulder early and homer went down hill quick but not from the damage of jeep but the shock. Many old dogmen that were associated say the ANGUS dog would have ended all the talk of JEEP if the original match went through. Just a few tidbits about the CH JEEP  dog he was a good dog and produced some good ones. You will have critics with any thing but I had to voice my opinion. People and stories change but this sticks with me and thought I would share.

[WayOutWest]

After the Homer match James was disgusted with Jeep cause he could have finished it much earlier but just laid there in hold. That is why he sold him. According to James his brother was a much better dog but Supernat didn't promote him. Jeep produced some sorry specimens but everything in the country with the means was backed up to him. He also produced some fine dogs! If you look back in history there are a buttload of famous curs who produced very good offspring. Snooty Rascal and Bullyson all quit at one time then went on to redeem themselves. It's more complex than the average dogman understands.

[TexasHogDogs]

A super producing dog is not a dog that is bred 5000 times and makes a 100 Champions and 6000 culls . A super producing dog is one that is bred 10 times and makes 20 champions and only has a minimal amount of culls .  A super producing dog to me is one that you can breed to a fence post and the splinters will find , bay are catch hogs it don't matter who the bitch is are how she is bred .  Also he will pick your line of culls up and turn them into real contenders .

[BigFool]

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I guess the average dog man that being me will never understand.

[gary fuller]

jimmy i absolutely agree on a producer. it was much easier with the game birds than with any type of dogs though as you could do many more matings and test them in shorter time frames and in greater numbers. years back a neighbor/ friend had a really good hog dog and he also had siblings that were near him and maybe a few as good as him. i could breed to any of this guys dogs i wanted and everyone was after to me to breed to jed. i said hes a great dog but why would i breed to him when i could breed to his father rusty. and i totally agree with the percentage of above average offspring  being what makes a producer being what counts as compared to one or maybe a few greats produced amongst a lot of mediocre or below average  ones. i had this one hen that i got nothing less than decent sons from and mainly above average ones. as you said it didnt matter what she was bred to either. sadly she never produced producers even when bred back to her sons. and her daughter werent producers either. all the sisters to this old hen were also producers . the brothers to her were basically all aces also. but now it gets wierder yet again,lol. this great hen, her sisters and thier ace brothers all came from one mating. this exact same mating was tried several times after and never produced the quality of that one clutch and im positive there wasnt  a mixup anywhere. as far as i know i never had a great producer in over 15 years with american bulldogs. i got one or 2 great dogs in a litter at most but also some culls in there too .

[TexasHogDogs]

Gary do u think it might have just skipped are jumped a generation,?  I have seen that were those great producers make aces then those aces make avarage dogs to culls when bred but you breed one of those avarages dogs that is from the ace and the ace being from the producer and those dogs go right back to being producers like the hen that it all started with.??  A lot of times it just makes a cycle like that on great family bred dogs and come right back to were it started.

[TexasHogDogs]

Gary was that hen her sisters and brothers were they crosses are was they linebred are inbred ?  I have seen what you are talking about before but almost always it was a cross .  The dogs were great great dogs and producers but they were crosses to start out with and they produced great great dogs but it just petered out you know what I mean .  I never seen this to much if the said hen are dog were family bred , just didn't see it much but the said hen are dog being a cross yes I have seen that a lot of times what you are talking about.

[TexasHogDogs]

This is a perfect example of how hard it truly is to get a Super Producings Animal.  You get good producers and you get some that might be great producers.  If you ever ever truly see are know a Super Producer they are a rare, rare thing to behold.  Also when they come along I have seen it doesn't really matter if they are family bred are scatter bred its just a God given thing to that certain dog.  Many many of men have went their whole lives not owning one and worked their whole lifes to get one and never do.  Lots of people mistake Quantity over real true Quality   .  Lots of things go on popularity but when the real numbers are crunched that really shows just who is who .

[gary fuller]

the hen was a cross. she was 3/8 jap and 5/8 brown red. the only offspring from her that did produce was when i bred her to a chet cock(very linebred and inbred by myself and great crossing fowl) i gave 2 of the daughters to a guy who bred them till they died of old age and he got great birds from both hens.

i totally agree with the part on sometimes skipping a generation. luckily i kept a bunch of hens  that all of their brothers were mediocre at the best case and poor in some cases. man oh man were the offspring of those hens great, mainly aces in any company. me and the guys i let have some of those hens reffered to them as the three way kelsos as they were a blend  3 families of kelsos.

i remember sending a female ab to a guy one time and told him i had had her on some hogs in the woods several times and she did fine. as i had some young dogs out of her allreay that were lookin to be really good i was happy with what she threw. i told the guy i sent her to to not put her in a pen with a bad hog or anyhting as her value was as a brood bitch and not as a catch dog. i was afraid she might have a bad day or such and he would not want to breed her. after  she was 5 weeks pregnant and got loose and into a fight with his favorite bitch and killed her in 10 minutes, he decided i was right about him not needing to test her on hogs himself,lol. the reason we knew 10 minutes is because a neighbor saw the dogs get loose and start to fight  and went to try to call the owners and came back in 10 minutes and she was draggin a dead dog around.

[TexasHogDogs]

Good deal ....I thought the hen was probably a cross.....Man I love to talk dogs, chickens and breeding and it don't make no difference what kind of a performance animal it is when it comes to breeding performance animals its about all the same from chickens to dogs to horses to what ever.

[gary fuller]

boy did you hit the nail on the head about super producers. its rare to be arround one much less own one. as you can tell i love this stuff too,lol

[Cajun]

Article on Bob Wallace.






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[TheRednose]

Hey Jimmy who was your best producing stud dog, and best producing female? How would you rate Toby?

[Cajun]

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[Cajun]

Here is the story on the Jeep x Homer match.






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[gary fuller]

i so have to scan some pictures and put them on here somehow.

[Cajun]

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[Cajun]

Gary, I have just been taking pics. with my ph. & posting them from their using tap a talk. Makes it a hole lot easier.

[gary fuller]

lol, that be fine if i knew how to take pictures with a cell phone. i am one of the few folks who doesnt normally carry one. my wife finally made me get one less than 2 years ago.