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« on: July 15, 2014, 02:08:24 pm »

Been thinking about this for a while. What differences or similarities have you seen with dogs from the the same cross, but Diffrent litter? For example I have a brother and sister from same parents,  but they are about two years apart.

 Just curious as to what everyones experience is with this, and the background on the dogs breeding ....linebred, inbred, f1 crosses, outcrosses...etc
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« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2014, 04:19:56 pm »

   it's still a brother x sister cross any way you look at it  .
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« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2014, 04:29:32 pm »

I wasn't implying a brother sister breeding.  Was asking what diffrences people have with dogs from the same cross but Diffrent litters
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« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2014, 05:56:41 pm »

Kerry if it's still the same father and mom breeding, but just a liters or two later, it's a brother sister breeding. Now if it's the same line of dogs but say a brother of the previous dad and a sister to the previous mom, then it's not a brother sister breeding. Maybe explain it some to us??
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« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2014, 06:16:44 pm »

I think what he wants to know is, are the puppies from this mating going to act and hunt the same as the ones from the first breeding.
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« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2014, 06:22:35 pm »

Lol. Well looks like ive made this confusing.

DogA x dogB = litter A/B. Date of birth 2009
DogA x dogB= litter A/B. Date of birth 2012

What diffrences have people seen with the same mother and father but Diffrent litters.

Example sire gets older....maybe lower sperm count etc..

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« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2014, 06:23:03 pm »

I think what he wants to know is, are the puppies from this mating going to act and hunt the same as the ones from the first breeding.

Exactly
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« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2014, 06:28:35 pm »

Obviously with tight bred dogs off the same line would theoretically produce consistent litters. But I have seen some litters produce slightly diffrent dogs then the previous litter off the same dogs.
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« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2014, 06:37:00 pm »

I don't think there will be much difference due to age unless the sire and dam are getting very old...

if the sire and dam are closely related then the pups should be almost the same as the previous litter...

if the sire and dam are from different breeds or from the same breed but no relations whatsoever then it is possible to have pups that could possibly be different from one another just as the previous litter should have been...and also with some variation  between litters being possible because of the genetic diversity...some traits might be the same because of dominant/recessive genes...but more or less a crap shoot...that's about the way I see it...
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« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2014, 07:11:54 pm »

     yep on that reuben , I have made several of the same parentage breedings and have gotten pretty much the same results each time . when it works the first time chances are it will work the next , hence the term [ proven cross ]  . like said most all variation in the pups will happen when the dogs are cross bred dogs and the pups could throw to either parent .
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« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2014, 07:27:09 pm »

I agree with Reuben to a point. There are plenty of people breeding dogs for a long time that are only average dogs and saying they are real good, when only a couple turn out good per litter. Seen it a lot on the hog hunting sights. They got the best, then you watch their video they post or you or your friends hunt with one of the suppose of good dogs and you say to yourself those dogs are not that good.

The dog you got from litter 2009 might have been the only good dog from the litter. Then dog from litter 2012, might be one of the bad ones in the litter. Just because you breed the same line for a long time does not mean the dogs are good! You would have to be breeding good dogs from the same line for a long time to continue to get good litters. If they are actually litters that are producing good dogs over time, then you will probably get the same results.
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« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2014, 07:37:02 pm »

the idea is to select the best pups from the litter whether it is scatter bred or tight bred...otherwise we are not selecting the best and that equals to set backs in the breeding program...the objective is to improve in percentage of pups that turn out or to at least maintain what we have already gained if we are where we want to be...
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« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2014, 08:11:56 pm »

Heck every one I know has the best dogs just ask em lol . You must been happy with the out come of pups or you wouldn't have done it a second time good luck fella
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« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2014, 09:48:21 pm »

I think unless the parents are tight bred dogs you never will know what you will get. For example I've seen two dogs bred and produce a litter of pups that every pup out of the litter was hog dogs they was all superstars  and the next 5 litters it was people waiting in line with wads of cash wanting a pup and you couldn't have took every one of them pups out of the last 5 litters and got a below average dog it was a waste of a lot of space I think that male dog let all of his good load the first time he was bred. These were two different bred dogs non related. After that I have been a believer a dog shoots his best the first time..
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« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2014, 01:58:47 am »

Heck every one I know has the best dogs just ask em lol . You must been happy with the out come of pups or you wouldn't have done it a second time good luck fella


I am not doing a repeat breeding.  This is just a topic I have been pondering. 
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« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2014, 12:05:19 pm »

Now...it may be harder with some breeds then others...but....along the same lines as this post....

When making a second or third breeding....has anyone picked a pup that just LOOKED strikingly like the Sire or Dam or looked like a full brother or sister from a previous litter that's getting the job done...just in the hopes it would turn out like said older dog?

I'm in the middle of that experiment right now. Won't know for a while but things look good so far.
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« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2014, 12:30:18 pm »

I bred a Nite Ch. Plott gyp to a Gr. Nite Ch. male. The dogs were not closely related but almost all the pups made better then average dogs. Had two nite ch. out of this litter & they were the only ones campaigned. The others made really nice coondogs.
  Made the same cross again & only got one nice dog out of it. Most of the others were culls.
  This is where I think Rueban & Bo are right. If both parents would have been more linebred or in bred the pups should have come out more uniform in ability.
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« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2014, 12:32:23 pm »

   lol   quit picking on color kevin how many times I gotta tell ya  lol  go for conformation and attitude .  
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« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2014, 12:49:13 pm »

Hey old man....I ain't the one that hates Yella!!!! Haha!
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« Reply #19 on: July 16, 2014, 01:10:15 pm »

I bred a Nite Ch. Plott gyp to a Gr. Nite Ch. male. The dogs were not closely related but almost all the pups made better then average dogs. Had two nite ch. out of this litter & they were the only ones campaigned. The others made really nice coondogs.
  Made the same cross again & only got one nice dog out of it. Most of the others were culls.
  This is where I think Rueban & Bo are right. If both parents would have been more linebred or in bred the pups should have come out more uniform in ability.
Why do you think this happens like this? Why wouldn't they throw good pups the second time?
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