Pig Dogs Orleans
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« Reply #20 on: August 27, 2014, 11:25:34 pm » |
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If your dogs are good hunting dogs that posses the traits that you want in a hunting dog.. and are good producers on top of that... why in the hell would you chase some old wives tale that hunting a bred bitch makes hunting pups?
Shouldn't the dogs being bred be able to produce dogs that hunt just as well without doing something that was thought up before we had penecillin?
If you want one, some, or all of the pups to detatch from the uterine wall, die prematurely inside of the bitch, and cause a SEVERE infection that can kill a bitch that you thought was good enough to breed in the first place... then by all means.. hunt a bred bitch.
Genetics, heredity, a good understand of geneaology, and productive/educated breeding practices are the key factors in producing good hunting dogs, in my mind.. besides using proven stock.... not the theory that a molecular amount of seretonin is going to affect a dogs basic evolutionary desire to track and persue game. While its an interesting thought how some of sintroduced traits become fixed within a line of dogs... I think its more complex than things like the notion of hunting a bred bitch will make that much more of a hunting litter...
While we're comparing apples to oranges... If these notions were true.. You'd see bulldoggers breeding bitches and then matching them to produce better fighting pups.. and that is not at all the case.. Some of the best bulldogs alive came from bitches who wouldnt fight to defend themselves a day in their lives!
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Reuben
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« Reply #21 on: August 28, 2014, 04:49:49 am » |
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If your dogs are good hunting dogs that posses the traits that you want in a hunting dog.. and are good producers on top of that... why in the hell would you chase some old wives tale that hunting a bred bitch makes hunting pups?
Shouldn't the dogs being bred be able to produce dogs that hunt just as well without doing something that was thought up before we had penecillin?
If you want one, some, or all of the pups to detatch from the uterine wall, die prematurely inside of the bitch, and cause a SEVERE infection that can kill a bitch that you thought was good enough to breed in the first place... then by all means.. hunt a bred bitch.
Genetics, heredity, a good understand of geneaology, and productive/educated breeding practices are the key factors in producing good hunting dogs, in my mind.. besides using proven stock.... not the theory that a molecular amount of seretonin is going to affect a dogs basic evolutionary desire to track and persue game. While its an interesting thought how some of sintroduced traits become fixed within a line of dogs... I think its more complex than things like the notion of hunting a bred bitch will make that much more of a hunting litter...
While we're comparing apples to oranges... If these notions were true.. You'd see bulldoggers breeding bitches and then matching them to produce better fighting pups.. and that is not at all the case.. Some of the best bulldogs alive came from bitches who wouldnt fight to defend themselves a day in their lives!
you make an excellent point...and I agree...but I like picking things apart... genetics is where it is at...good handling a plus as well as conditioning... but we can not argue with proper care of the female including good nutrition... crack baby's and baby's from alcoholics are born with a serious disadvantage due to improper care and negligence... I used to believe that the sire was just as important in a breeding program as the dam...I still do when it comes to genetics...but the mama is the one who spends all her time with the pups and they are connected to her as well... PD Orleans...I believe in genetics and breeding the best to the best...especially within a family of high quality of dogs...I also believe in testing pups for natural ability for hunting and breeding purposes...and what is wrong with trying to take it to a higher level???there is a few who believe as I do...and you are right about old wives tales...some are truths, some are half truths and some are just that... I don't think I said to hunt the gyp because hogs can be dangerous to a pregnant gyp...especially if it is a long race in the heat... but there is nothing wrong with controlled situations such as caged hogs, bay pens and throwing a raw ear to the pregnant gyp once in a while...at 5 weeks I will throw a head to the pups and watch them go at it...but I make sure they are hungry before I throw it in their pen...I am willing to take a few chances wit raw pork a few times to hopefully imprint the pups in a way to get them to like pig at an earlier stage in their life... |
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
A hunting dog is born not made...
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Judge peel
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« Reply #22 on: August 28, 2014, 10:09:26 am » |
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Ruben I have done the exact thing one litter I did that and let them bay with there momma at early age and one litter I did nothing till 4 months no difference hat so ever that I could tell
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TazD
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« Reply #23 on: August 28, 2014, 02:20:51 pm » |
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Good article Reubin.
Everyone has good points for and for not hunting while pregnant! It boils down to personal preference. Never caused a problem for me, or my gyp! When she showed signs of her ability being less, she gets put up!
You can have what you think is the best dogs since sliced bred, that does not guarantee the get will be the same!
I want natural selection to work in my dogs even if they are partially civilized!! Lol.. I always like the person who says their dogs are the best, just look at their scars!! I always told them that it looks like to me you need a dog that can handle/fight a hog better!! Scars prove nothing other then the hog got the best of them! The best fighters hardly ever take punishment, they are giving the punishment!
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bignasty
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« Reply #24 on: August 31, 2014, 12:36:09 pm » |
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hunting a prego bitch to hype up a upcomming litter for sale?still risky but an idea i cam up with as a possibility some rookie may try to coin in on.
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Fixitlouie
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« Reply #25 on: August 31, 2014, 01:07:28 pm » |
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hunting a prego bitch to hype up a upcomming litter for sale?still risky but an idea i cam up with as a possibility some rookie may try to coin in on.
Nice try but I don't make any money on sale of pups.... |
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bay, catch, barr, repeat...
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Reuben
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« Reply #26 on: August 31, 2014, 03:49:18 pm » |
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hunting a prego bitch to hype up a upcomming litter for sale?still risky but an idea i cam up with as a possibility some rookie may try to coin in on.
Nice try but I don't make any money on sale of pups.... when I was a kid I hunted my dogs about every day...the female I had she went even though she looked like she had a watermelon inside her...but we didn't have hogs back then in that part of the country...we ran and caught just about everything that the dogs could catch including snakes...hog dogging is a different game...besides a dangerous game we are talking about some long races as well... but there is nothing wrong with controlled situations such as caged hogs, bay pens and throwing a raw ear to the pregnant gyp once in a while...at 5 weeks I will throw a head to the pups and watch them go at it...but I make sure they are hungry before I throw it in their pen...I am willing to take a few chances wit raw pork a few times to hopefully imprint the pups in a way to get them to like pig at an earlier stage in their life... a calculated risk I am willing to take is feeding a raw wild hog head to the pups to eat on at 6 weeks on...a few times is all that I believe is needed...just letting the pups skip a meal before feeding a head with all the neck meat and they will be fighting over it...I believe it is a good way to start the pups out... |
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
A hunting dog is born not made...
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bignasty
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« Reply #27 on: August 31, 2014, 05:11:55 pm » |
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didnt mention any names,dont kno nothing about you or your dogs.
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Scott
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« Reply #28 on: September 01, 2014, 04:23:32 pm » |
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hunting a prego bitch to hype up a upcomming litter for sale?still risky but an idea i cam up with as a possibility some rookie may try to coin in on.
Nice try but I don't make any money on sale of pups.... So, you give/gift them to suitable homes? |
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Fixitlouie
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« Reply #29 on: September 01, 2014, 09:14:15 pm » |
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hunting a prego bitch to hype up a upcomming litter for sale?still risky but an idea i cam up with as a possibility some rookie may try to coin in on.
Nice try but I don't make any money on sale of pups.... So, you give/gift them to suitable homes? Yes |
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bay, catch, barr, repeat...
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