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« on: November 24, 2014, 08:38:31 am » |
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The whole time ive hog hunted Ive used the tactic of looking for a track on the road and putting my dogs on it, and do a little of running them ahead of the truck. The land I hunt is getting smaller and I feel like letting my dogs rig, or wind of of the dog box will be more effective where I hunt. My question is, is it possible to change the way my older dogs ( 3-4 years) hunt? And whats a good way to get puppies started to use this way of finding hogs. Ive only seen this way of hunting done a few times and dont know much about starting dogs on this. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2014, 03:47:48 pm » |
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With a little work a good dog can learn to hood or rig. To get started chain the dogs on the box or hood. Place a hog where you can come in to the wind and drive in that direction when they catch the smell you will see there posture change whether you are by the pig or not stop and drop one if he goes to it good if he comes back just do it again some will bark to get off some will have a little trade mark just read the dogs and go slow they will catch on
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Reuben
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« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2014, 06:01:24 pm » |
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x2 on what JP said...just make sure the hogs scent is crossing at the place where you expect the dogs to wind them...you can mark the spot where the wind carrying the scent is crossing so that when you drive by slowly pay attention to the dogs...then watch them and if they fire up turn them in...if not hiss and sic the dogs and have them get excited and turn them in...like has been said...you have to be very observant of the dogs and learn when they smell pig...
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« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2014, 09:01:13 pm » |
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With a little work a good dog can learn to hood or rig. To get started chain the dogs on the box or hood. Place a hog where you can come in to the wind and drive in that direction when they catch the smell you will see there posture change whether you are by the pig or not stop and drop one if he goes to it good if he comes back just do it again some will bark to get off some will have a little trade mark just read the dogs and go slow they will catch on
Judge has it right. The only thing that will keep a good hog dog from being a good hood dog is him not liking to ride on the hood. I used to ride my curs on the hood so I could watch them and see when they were getting piggy. Curs will rarely bark on the hood or on top of the box so the hood was better to watch their body language. I run all loud mouth, mouthy hounds now and they don't have to be on the hood, they'll let you know when they smell one. LOL If your dogs are hog dogs they'll let you know when they are smelling hogs you just might have to ride them on the hood and watch them. By the way you can pretty much tell the first time you put a dog on the hood if he's gonna ride it or not. If he get scared and lays down then he may never get used to being up there, some don't. Good luck |
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« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2014, 06:37:37 am » |
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Once the pick up on it, you wont need to chain them down. Mine ride the box until they wind then they bail off on their own.
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Cooter56
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« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2014, 07:52:39 am » |
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Ok thanks for the advice. I wont be able to hunt until monday due to work. Part of being a firefighter I guess, gotta work the holidays. So I wont be able to really mess with them in the woods till then. Although I have been riding my dogs on the dog box to work with me for the last two days. One of them (the less experienced one) is riding fine and has his nose up the whole time. The other which is my main dog kinda hunches down and holds his head down the whole time. Im gonna keep riding him up there to see if he gets used to it. Still got a couple more who need to be ridden on the dog box to get used to it. In yalls experience what are some advantages and disadvantages to rigging? And thanks again!
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« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2014, 08:24:04 am » |
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Ok thanks for the advice. I wont be able to hunt until monday due to work. Part of being a firefighter I guess, gotta work the holidays. Yeah those 24hour shifts once a week must be murder.   Sorry brother couldn't resist. Ill go eat my donuts now.  |
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« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2014, 08:49:43 am » |
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No Im a Wildland Firefighter. We work 7 day shifts. I wish I worked a 24 twice a week. That would be great. I could hunt all the time.
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« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2014, 08:55:33 am » |
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One of the best things about rigging and hooding is the wear on your dogs legs and you can cover much more ground. Some dogs are tailor made for this style
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« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2014, 09:55:40 am » |
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No Im a Wildland Firefighter. We work 7 day shifts. I wish I worked a 24 twice a week. That would be great. I could hunt all the time.
Ouch that does suck!! |
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« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2014, 07:24:56 pm » |
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If your older dog doesn't like the top of the box you can just fabricate you some rigging holes in your box and he can rig out of them. I have a couple hounds that don't like being on top so I just have three rigging holes on each side and they all wind out of them fine.
One advantage I honestly believe in is that you usually rig the big boars out roaming from sow group to sow group. Now obviously you rig sows, shoats, and sounders as well but it sure seems like I rig more big boars than I find walk hunting.
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« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2014, 08:24:22 am » |
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I think hes getting more used to it now. All Ive done is ride him up there going back and forth to work. Havnt rode him slow through the woods.
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« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2014, 09:18:42 am » |
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I've owned one sure enough good rig dog in my life and I discovered he could rig by shear accident I was coming home from hunting and was driving down the lease rd and a group of hogs crossed in front of me, I slowed down and eased past where they were just to see if anything could wind them and he blew up in the box. I turned him out in the hogs and from that day on he was a heck of a rig dog. He was a plott/English cross and dead silent on track but would let you know he could smell one off the box. I used to get a lot if funny looks and asked if I was stupid on several occasions until we tied hogs with him and after that the group I was with would rude every dog they had on the box trying to make a rig dog. Just goes to show that some are naturally born to do it and some ain't.
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Reuben
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« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2014, 01:28:08 pm » |
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a man I hunted with a few times down in South Texas told me a few stories about dogs he got from the pound...he worked for a rancher/farmer that owned quite a bit of land and his job for the owner was to eradicate the pigs because of the damage to grazing land as well as extensive damage to the grain fields...tough job...  he also guided for the owner on occasion when he brought his buddies down in the plane...usually it was party time while hunting on those trips... The ranch hand always got a call when there was a potential hog dog at the pound...he told me three stories that I will probably always remember...one was about a German wire haired pointer and another was of a beagle named Barney and the other of a well bred bluetick hound pup...since this thread is about rigging I will tell about the Bluetick.. The ranch hand got a call from the animal control officer saying he had a high dollar and top bred bluetick that might make a hog dog if he was interested to come by and take a look and see...He goes over and sure enough he was a good looking dog just at a year old or so...The story on how the pup got in the pound goes like this...A kid wants a bluetick real bad because he wants a good dog to play and hunt with...mom and dad gets him a cute puppy as a Christmas gift and it grows up to be a bored pup in a dogs body who starts to tear up the back yard and things...digging holes etc...etc...so they finally decide to take the bluetick pup to the pound... The ranch hand makes that trip to the pound and immediately takes a liking to that pup...the pup is socialized well enough...so he takes him hunting that night...they are roading the dogs around a maize field and the dogs go in and bay/catch a nice sized hog...the bluetick is turned in to the bay and he goes in like a champ and does it like he has been doing it all his life...they drag the hog out by the edge of the farm road and continue around the field and will be back to pick up the hog once they complete the round...still a few dogs roading and a few in the dog box and the bluetick was tied on top of the box and would only be turned in to hog because it was his first night on a hunt... as they made the loop that Bluetick went to baying on top of the box...they pulled up and some were admiring the dog for winding and baying the dead hog and one guy was saying no it can't be because the hog is a little further ahead and the wind is wrong for him to wind it...he was thinking it was another hog in the field...They turned ole blue out and he leads the dogs to another hog that laid low off the first bay...That ranch hand said that bluetick turned out to be one heck of a rig dog from that day forward... |
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« Reply #14 on: November 30, 2014, 12:23:47 am » |
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I have dogs that will wind off the box but they will also lie. My dad had a couple Black and Tans that were hell on wheels. It was comical. I have been riding with him and the dogs blow up in the box. Stop at a stand a couple hundred yards away and ask the hunter how long since the deer crossed. Hunter being confused asked how he knew deer crossed. My dad asked if he heard the dogs open. Hunter said yes. Daddy told him that's how I know. At this point the hunter said it had been between 30 and 45 min. My dad said ok and drove on. Those 2 dogs had the best nose I had ever seen on a dog. They were great deer dogs. Not the fastest but would lay in for the duration. To catch them u basically cut them off and hide behind a tree and grabbed as they came by. If not u didn't catch them without killing the deer. The biggest part on teaching a dog to wind is trust and keeping a close eye on the dog. Once u learn its signal u have to trust its a hog. Turn them out and see what happens. Seeing the hogs cross would be a definate plus. Lol good luck to ya and I hope urs don't lie like mine.
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« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2014, 05:05:24 am » |
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Shotgun I was hunting a gyp for a buddy of mine last year and she's a good hardworking honest gyp and will wind off the rig but I've seen her on the 4- wheeler be riding for a while and get tired of being up there will bark to get off then she would make a loop and start roading in front of me, took her doing that a few times until I figured her out.
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« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2014, 01:41:20 am » |
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This style of hooding an rigging was the way I was taught.all the land I hunt has roads and we hunt alot of high fence an land owners seem to like it better cuse dogs dont run all over the place.good luck to you
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Cooter56
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« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2014, 09:43:34 am » |
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Reuben, good story! Just wanted to let yall know. I went to the woods the other night with my main dogs on the dog box. I had one clipped off because he wont stay up there without it and the other just riding. Anyways, Im riding really slow down the road paying real close attention to them just in case they wind one. To my suprise the one that wasnt clipped off jumps off the box and the one whos clipped goes to whinning really loud, so I unclipped him and they both leave there in a big hurry. Now the road im on is the boundry line between my hunting club and the "STILL" hunt club( they hate dogs!) and of course they go into the still hunt club. Long story short, 4 miles and several roads later I caught my dogs and got them out of there. I saw the track from the hog where I kept trying to get ahead of them and he was a good sized hog. His track was bigger than my red seal snuff can. So I think its safe to say that they will wind off the box. Im going to mess with them some more so I can get more familiar with how they react when they wind one. I know some of you are wondering why he was running so bad, but its deer season here in Florida and theres alot of deer hound running around here. Alot of their dogs arent hog broke so they run the hogs alot. Tends to get the hogs to run more around this time. Thanks everyone for your advice! Also, could it have affected my dogs by pulling them off that running hog? I really had no choice but to because like I said they hate dogs and prosecute to the highest level for trespassing. But Im just concerned if by pulling off that running hog if it may have messed them up at all. Thaks in advance.
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« Reply #18 on: December 11, 2014, 10:30:07 am » |
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thanks cooter...we want to catch all hogs we start but lots of times we don't which I believe most will agree on that...of course it is always best to catch the hog the dogs start because I do believe it makes better dogs when they see it to completion...and we sure do feel better about the hunt as well...some say it is more about good dog work and catching hogs is not as important...I agree to a certain extent but catching what we start is definitely the icing on the cake...
one thing I will mention here that hasn't been already been discussed...especially true where the brush and weeds are thick from the ground level on up to five or six feet or more...this is when we can help the dogs...
the dogs are winding a hog off the box or the back of the truck...they jump out and run in a little ways and circle back and can't seem to locate...the dogs while on the rig were able to wind the hog probably a quarter mile away (example)...but when they get on the ground they no longer smell the hog because the scent is to diluted to follow because of the thick vegetation...the hog scent was coming over the vegetation and that is why they were able to wind the hog...so you can help the dogs by looking at the wind direction whether it is channeling or just skimming over the weeds and you guide the dogs in the direction where you believe the hog is located until they can pick up the scent and go with it...
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« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2014, 11:29:38 am » |
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I sure hat to cut the dogs off but some time you have to. The good thing about dogs are they live in the now so the forget thing fast just like a knife of you run it on a stone every few days it will stay sharp same for dogs. Having dogs work real good and not get the pig is like taking your wife on a expensive date then being forced to sleep on the couch ain't worth a dang. I want my dogs to win as much as possible if it means swimming running busting brush walking miles I will put the effort if they do
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