APBT question on an old dog

[hog bit]

I have a buddy that would like to stud out this dog.  What can you APBT experts on here tell me about the lines?

[WayOutWest]

I can't tell you anything about the front of the ped but Bango was the real deal down from Carver lines and most anything that come thu DSK was most likely a game dog. I believe the Carr and Farris dogs come from Ok.

[Shotgun wg]

I read something a while back that talked about brown billy Sunday. I just can't remember what it was about.


Shotgun
Arkansas

[Goose87]

Way out west is the DSK camp the same DSK that was based outa Louisiana that produced champion Cochise and grand champion Rudy

[WayOutWest]

Yes, Dead Serious. There was another DSK some time back that was wt. pullers with big fat dogs. They were Drop Squad Kennels.

[Goose87]

I thought I recognized that bee gee dog just checking. I had some pretty tight ties with that fella through  a mutual friend. I owned a gyp that was out of DSK Atlanta that was by far one of the gamest dogs I've ever touched. In my experience there are better and worse dogs out there, if D was feeding a dog there was something to it.

[redriverslim]

DSK was out of Galveston area Brazoria County, TX area.  They bought Banjo from Coy D. for an unbelievable amount back in 1995 - 96 time for $25,000. Bill Carr was from Oklahoma and I think he was later in Hot Springs, ARK.  Most of Carr's dogs were old Tonka/Tombstone/Belveal's Buster bred dogs, but I don't know about the ones in this pedigree. The old  Carr blood were good dogs, and you find a lot of his blood in the family of dogs that R. Crabb has been breeding in Arkansas for 30 years.  Good dogs.

Banjo was old Carver / Thibodeaux stuff.  He was sired by Hoskin's Sack out of McCools Betty Jo.  His littermate sister was Gr Ch BB Red.  Banjo was a solid dog, but BB was a monster.  The two best breedings done with  BB was to MAD's GR CH Gabe and to GR CH Andy Cap.  When bred to Andy Capp, she produced a stud dog called Chop Chop that DSK had.  Chop produced a lot of good dogs.

Banjo was bred numerous times, but he wasn't a great producer, but he wasn't a piece of junk either.  I had dogs (back in the day) right off Banjo, Coachise, Chop Chop.  There are good and bad in every bloodline.  I believe Coachise had about half Norman Kemmer blood in him, which would be old Bullyson, Eli Jr blood through Kemmers Macho (aka Pushrod), but I may be wrong on that, just can't remember.  Coachise was not a great producer either, considering the number of times he was bred.  His best offspring was a dog called Richard Ramirez, but I don't think there was a significant number of good dogs off Coachise.

The pedigree on this particular dog really has no bearing on whether it will be a good "catch dog" or not.  But there are some good solid dogs in the pedigree, for whatever that's worth.         

       

[redriverslim]

Also, the dog on the bottom side DSK Diablo Negro was a real good dog.  He won his CH over Norman Kemmer.  For those who don't know, Norman was first cousin to Robert Kemmer who is the creator of the Kemmer Curs.   

[redriverslim]

To correct myself: I just noticed the date of birth on that pedigree, so this dog is 10 years old, so obviously the owner probably already knows if he was a good dog or not, so let me correct myself on that.

Your EASTTEXASHOGDOGGER source for all things APBT.  I'll be here all week, lol

[hog bit]

Thanks for all of the responses. I enjoy learning the history behind the dogs.

[Mike]

Thanks for all of the responses. I enjoy learning the history behind the dogs.

So do I... good stuff.

[WayOutWest]

Redriver, you know more about those Texas dogs than I do but I'm still a lil hesitant to throw guys names out there. I knew of Bill Carr as I was good friends with Orval Sneed. I did meet Jerry in Vegas years ago but knew of many of the dogs. I bred a Tonka/Bolio bitch to a son of AndyCapp and Penney Sue. Only one keeper and she is buried in my pasture. Got out of that line as they were hard keepers compared to the stuff from Crenshaw.   

[Goose87]

Nice read there slim, the fella I know had to have been good friends or partners with the guys you speak of, I've worked on a few dogs that were tightly bred off the chop chop dog one being a son, I'm my mind he was 110% bulldog, now I can't speak for the rest of those dogs but the few I had dealings with were nice. I'm like you wayoutwest I'm not going to post any names of the folks I've had dealings with or the pedigrees of dogs I've owned or worked on but man I do enjoy reading what others know as well.

[Reuben]

I just want to say thanks for the good/informative posts...one day I might just want to run 2 strike dogs and keep 2 catch dogs...less feed and cleanup...

[gary fuller]

i agree with ruben..... thanks so much gentlemen. im sure just stirring these memories for me is illegal here in california though,lol. lot of the guys here relating experiences and knowledge were in the deep end and i was playin in the kiddie pool though. its hard for me to realize that my only little claim to fame in this area was stoppin a sister to stevens ch homer........was 38 years ago,lol. more of what little hair i have left just turned grayer i think.

[WayOutWest]

I know what you mean Gary, but it got me thinkin about another son of Andy Capp named GrCh Snaps. 51# in ripped condition and when he was in a keep he would go into warrior mode. At one point the man conditioning him was standing on his dryer with a shotgun on him in a standoff. Snaps finally calmed down and he lived to see another day. If you were going into Snaps kennel or chainspace you had to give him a kong chew or he would grab you and not let you go. Strongest dog most folks up this way had ever seen. Lost the pics I had of him in a computer crash. He was Andy Capp to Steve's Spyder

[gary fuller]

lol, i can just picture that scene in my mind. personally ive never kept any dog of any breed for long that got that wound up that it worried me. sounds like that was one serious dog and at that weight he could have been more than most men could keep off them. when i was 18  iwas walkin a female for a friend of mine and my buddy was with me walkin my male.  we were in front of the high school and stopped to talk to a guy we knew when the female kinda went after his foot. so i yanked her back by the lead and man was it on,lol. my buddy couldnt really help as he was tryin to keep my male from grabbin the female and the other guy was scared of the whole mess. when it was all over my buddy had my male  and i was standing there with one leg of my brand new courderoy pants compltely tore off of me and my knee cap and my elbow both sliced  and my pacific trail jacket tied around the females head as a muzzle, lol.

[Reuben]

back when I was a younger man this young friend of mine owned a black brindle APBT that was one heck of a catch dog...about 60 pounds of bone and muscle...he didn't have a very good handle on that dog and I gave that dog a hard stare/glare and I was thinking if he were my dog he would have some manners...Well that dogs eyes glazed over green and all night long he didn't care about the bay...he wanted to catch me...I told ole Leroy don't turn that dog loose because I was going to have to kill it...that dog never liked me after that...but I learned a good lesson that night...

[Scott]

Gary, I can just see you getting a handle on her

[WayOutWest]

Crenshaw told me a story about one he had that if he seen another dog you had about 2 minutes to tie him to a tree cause he was gonna bite you to make you let him go.