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« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2015, 07:12:17 pm » |
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I agree with most if that. Been line and inbreeding for long long time. Key is knowing when to step away from the flame or throw another log on the fire. When your line starts getting to close.....it will tell ya. Anyone with linebred stuff that suffers from hereditary weaker immune systems. Did some dances with the devil but didn't pay the fiddler.  |
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« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2015, 07:33:35 pm » |
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I never have been a good business man when it comes to dog dealing...back when I had my line of dogs I didn't sell any but gave a few away way south of me...and a few buddies got a few here and there for free...
I have sold a few good young dogs that were better than average that I didn't like for one reason or other...and sold them very reasonably...I never have put a value on the feed and care including kennel cleaning, training and socialization required to make a dog...
I just gave away a pretty good dog about 3 weeks ago that was in his prime...
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« Reply #23 on: January 04, 2015, 07:41:48 pm » |
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If you do absolutely everything you're supposed to do according to vets and stuff you break even selling the pups for $100-200 or so, that seems fair to me, but I get selling them cheaper too or even giving them away because when people take pups off your hands they're doing you a favour as well as vice versa.
People trying to profit off producing dogs are a different thing entirely, I personally choose not to grouped with such people. I am not in that game and don't want to be.
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« Reply #24 on: January 04, 2015, 07:48:05 pm » |
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That's awesome Reuben I hope he was in need nothing better than helping a good person out it will be paid back 100 fold
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« Reply #25 on: January 04, 2015, 07:55:34 pm » |
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I use to buy pups for 300 and up all day long and use to be on waiting lists. I've culled every one of them pups it seems like.
Best dogs I've owned and hunted behind was done on a handshake to raise it and hunt the piss out of it, and if it don't meet your expectations, cull it. I make it a point to keep in contact with the guy who I got the pup from to gauge it against it's littermates.
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« Reply #26 on: January 04, 2015, 08:15:02 pm » |
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I will give a pup to a buddy no ? But they will have to give it back not cull it. I gave some pups away before only to here they where sold.
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« Reply #29 on: January 05, 2015, 02:44:12 pm » |
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I'm with YBM. It's not that big of a deal to me to give a few extra shots and an extra bag of dog food to feed a few more pups. I enjoy having pups and raising them and hunting them. I've never sold a dog or a pup. I usally keep a few and the rest will go back to the guys that gave me the line and a few select other people. I don't consider the cost because if i did i wouldn't have dogs! LOL
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« Reply #30 on: January 06, 2015, 01:43:29 pm » |
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Best dogs I've owned and hunted behind was done on a handshake to raise it and hunt the piss out of it, and if it don't meet your expectations, cull it. I make it a point to keep in contact with the guy who I got the pup from to gauge it against it's littermates.
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« Reply #31 on: January 06, 2015, 03:39:31 pm » |
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I say sell them for whatever you want as long as you can sleep well at night knowing what you did.
Keep in mind, the more you sell them for the more your names going to get slung through the mud. I don't care how good a dogs your breeding, they won't satisfy everyone....and if you're breeding dogs to TRY and satisfy everyone I don't think I want what your selling anyhow.
Every pup that has left my yard (which is very few) left with an open agreement that at ANYTIME in that dogs life the buyer wasn't satisfied, I'd buy it back. I make this agreement knowing full well that some won't make the grade, but if I give your money back you can't throw my name around saying I sold you some snake oil. I also don't want a cull pup off my dogs being bred, so this is a simple way of removing said dog. Having said all that, I'll also say that I've never bought one back.
I also have a gentleman's agreement that if the owner no longer wants the dog (perhaps getting out of hunting, or whatever reason) then I also ask for first opportunity at buying the dog at owners asking price.
This has worked well for me, but I also don't sell many pups and I'm pretty selective on who I sell them to.
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« Reply #32 on: January 06, 2015, 07:45:03 pm » |
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I have bought or traded for very few dogs/puppies. But, I know what I consider reasonable to pay for a pup don't match up with what most folks are asking. I ocassionally raise a litter and if some are for sale, it's at a reasonable, working man's price.Doesn't matter if sold or placed...if it turns out to be a cull, I'll replace it. Then again, not just anyone can get a pup from me either.
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« Reply #33 on: January 07, 2015, 10:57:27 am » |
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I have to agree with almost everyone at some point in this topic but have to say I agree with YBM more so, if I have to be compensated for being responsible for bringing a litter of dogs into this world that would be like me saying that when my son gets married asking his wife and her family to compensate me for raising him. I've hD my own dogs for close to 15 yrs and I can count on one hand how many dogs I've sold I don't see nothing wrong with someone selling pups as long as their honest about it, I'm just funny about who I want having my dogs, my two biggest things is I don't want somebody taking a pup from me and if it don't turn out running my name through the mud and if it don't meet my expectations for the litter them continuing to breed it, that's the very reason I don't sell pups and when I do get rid of some they stay within a close circle of friends, I used to be nice and give several young hunters good bred pups but I've become calloused over to that when I would see those dogs for sale or if I saw someone else other than the person I give the dog hunting it, my only stipulations were that the dogs come back to me if they didn't make the cut that way I could personally put the dogs down and know that they weren't bring bred.
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« Reply #35 on: January 08, 2015, 03:30:27 pm » |
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It's very hard for me to sell a pup I like to keep them all until they are up around 6 months in age so I can get a fair guess on what dogs are going to be the true hunting dogs. I really hate to see a puppy leave my place fair price 250 - 300
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« Reply #36 on: January 09, 2015, 08:13:03 pm » |
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I had to think about this awhile before I decided to respond. There are a lot of variables on what is a fair market price & it all boils down to supply & demand. If the demand is greater then the supply the more a pup is worth. If not, it will be cheaper. Simple economics. I normally breed a couple litters a year. Out of that litter I will keep 2 or 3 pups & give my friends some pups. Any left over I will sell. If they don't make it, I replace the pups.
Like said above, I have given pups away, only to find out they are for sale a couple of months down the road. The other side of the coin, there are people out there that do not give a pup a chance. Dog stays in a kennel for a year, then is thrown in the woods & the owner expects him to go find hogs. When he doesnt he is a cull. That & he stays in the kennel & is not handled he becomes shy & hard to catch so he is a cull.
Everybody has culls but a responsible person will back up his breeding program. I saw a while back one of my dogs being passed around the internet & found out where he came from. This dog had never been hunted but run in a pen a lil bit. Yet instead of being culled he kept getting sold off of his kennel name. It is a double edge sword & selling pups to somebody you do not know is always a gamble.
Bottom line, a pup is worth what you pay for it & it is up to the buyer to give it a fair shot.
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« Reply #37 on: January 09, 2015, 08:45:17 pm » |
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Not beating a dead horse.....still just conversating! Figured I would just do a little math just to reassure myself that I was not behind the times on raising pups. These figures are what I pay locally per item and includes everything needed to raise a set of pups to the age of six weeks old. I also rounded up on most amounts just to make sure I was fair. Here is what I came up with. Let's use 10 pups as the theoretical litter. Costs me. $50 for puppy feed $25 for dry milk $70 for shots $20 for wormer Grand total of $165 bucks for a litter of ten pups Equals out to $16.50 a pup If I sell them at $100 a pup............gives me $835 profit...."For my time"  So again boys?  ?? Where is the fair price in charging ten times that for pups? Again I guess it boils down to completely different mind sets in what Fair is.  |
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« Reply #38 on: January 09, 2015, 09:53:52 pm » |
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Them numbers make sound cents myles. I sure hav to agree with ya on them numbers, nvr looked at it like that. After u laying out in $, i guess a couple bags of dog food is a lil much for trade. Guess i need to bring it down to a bag on trade |
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« Reply #39 on: January 09, 2015, 10:22:08 pm » |
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Guess that's why I usually give pups away to my peeps instead of having them swipe their master card.
Nothing against folks selling pups. I support it actually .......just never understood the whole ..........its this price due to the costs of raising pups. Nah.........its just the seller jacking the price for personal gain. And that is where I point the horse down a different trail.
Grown dogs or older pups ......warrant different circumstances .....due to the dogs working ability. That I do believe has a value that should be considered in compensation.
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