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« on: January 22, 2015, 07:37:43 pm »

I currently have three dogs that will find hogs, they are 1.5-2yrs old.  They find pigs almost each time we go out there, but lately we have been getting outran by the big boars. These dogs are loose baying and aren't rough until CD's get there. How can i quit getting outran? The woods we are hunting in is VERY THICK! One of these dogs WILL put teeth into a hog to get him to stop, but these bigger hogs are just running like track stars. I have considered buying a more experienced dog to finish out these dogs but don't wanna buy junk! I wanna find something worth it.
Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated, happy hunting!
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« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2015, 08:49:50 pm »

Your on the right track. A more experienced dog MAY help them...but it may not. Your dogs...with time...may or may not "stay" till the end on EVERY hog....most times...with experience, the dogs bottom will extend. It's more in how the dogs are bred than anything else (IMO).
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« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2015, 09:24:02 pm »

Keep hammering them down they will pick it up or they won't some times a better dog will handy cap them. To true be good at something you have to get beat and learn from it dogs ain't no different IMO. Some dogs have that extra drive some don't
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« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2015, 09:42:52 pm »

How long are they staying in the race? Are they quitting or are they loseing off.


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« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2015, 10:37:43 pm »

they are staying 1000 yds +
but are getting tricked in the thick hog tunnels we have in this neck of the woods.
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« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2015, 10:43:27 pm »

 getting a little rougher pack that will nut a big hog may help. u get 2-4 nut grabbers, and most of the time they will keep the hog sat down or string his u know whats out. 
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« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2015, 10:51:06 pm »

If it's really that thick no big dog is gonna stay with one. They just can't maintain the speed in the thick. 1000+ yards isn't that far really. If the hog is loseing them which he shouldn't be unless there is lots of water or he is busting sounders which should send the dogs on other pigs I say u need a dog that has more bottom to keep them going. If my dogs stopped or lost after 1000+ yards I would never catch one. Most of the hogs I catch cover .75 to 1 mile if not stopped in the first few hundred. A race of 2miles or better is common. If the dog won't stay he won't bay.


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« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2015, 11:07:26 pm »

At a year and half to 2 years on my yard those dogs would barely be getting going. I think u need an older dog that knows if it stays with it will see what left that track. That older dog will help those young dogs realize this as well. I'm not saying by an means ur dogs are not good. I'm saying they need more experience and someone to show them. I  just want that to be clear.


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« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2015, 03:07:15 am »

If you have a tracking collar on them, don't get mad just yet, when they quit and come back, be irritated, don't address them at all, go straight to where they quit and start looking for the hog. They should rededicate themselves to that track and go find him. Keep after it.
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« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2015, 05:28:08 am »

Anyone selling anything that will help my pack?
Better yet any year old pups with good working parents, I need to add some bottom to my pack!
I'm located in DEEP south tx.


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« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2015, 07:32:45 am »

If it's really that thick no big dog is gonna stay with one. They just can't maintain the speed in the thick. 1000+ yards isn't that far really. If the hog is loseing them which he shouldn't be unless there is lots of water or he is busting sounders which should send the dogs on other pigs I say u need a dog that has more bottom to keep them going. If my dogs stopped or lost after 1000+ yards I would never catch one. Most of the hogs I catch cover .75 to 1 mile if not stopped in the first few hundred. A race of 2miles or better is common. If the dog won't stay he won't bay.

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Be honest with yourself. These dogs have been on enough hogs & they are not losing them in the thickets. They are quitting when the going gets tough. A couple of things you can try. Put one or two dogs out at a time. A lot of times to many dogs out just break bays where hogs have been hunted a lot. Big boars did not get big whih out learning to run. Like said above, a older dog with a lot of stick will get you bayed a lot more. One other thing, I don't care how good a dog you have, you will get outrun sometimes.
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« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2015, 09:34:58 am »

I have been in your shoes and this is what I have learned. If you go get a dog that has the right stuff great you will up your game but most of the time the dog with the bigger bottom will slowly pull of from the others creating the same issue only the other dog will be out there bayed. Then your dogs will become me to dogs or just hang around till the other dog becomes bayed. If you run two dogs one that's learning and one that can get it done the other might copy what the first is doing and go on and do it to many dogs together and this won't work.  If the dogs know what a bay is and just needing the confidence to finish it out I would suggest getting a good hound that is open and they may stay with em to see what around the corner then just here and there leave the hound or big bottom dog at the house to see there improvement this has worked for me
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« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2015, 10:23:50 am »

Friendly word of caution- careful what u ask for regarding big bottom sticky dogs. They are impressive animals. They can also wear you out and have you trespassing quickly. I personally invested good $ in a couple of them. I'm lucky if I get to run them 15 times a year. You have to have time and a lot of dirt to run this type of dog.
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« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2015, 10:29:51 am »

Going rougher instead of longer sounds like an alternative option for you. Real deal snappy gators might escalate the conflict quickly and shut down the race before it starts. You run the risk of getting your loose dogs cut up if you run them with rough dogs.
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« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2015, 11:15:39 am »

Rougher is my cup of tea a few rough dogs should get it done.  But you will still miss hogs you just won't have to go 3 hrs and 5 miles to do it but a good rough set with a big bottom dog works good for me if they fight I got something for them if they run I still have a chance
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« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2015, 12:21:05 pm »

I don't drink the rough dog koolaid.  Running hogs are usually caused by nippy dogs with poor baying technique combined with little to no finesse.  I've never been witness to a dog that while running though a dense thicket could move fast enough to put a mouth on a hog that was running ahead.  In the woods, hogs are fast.  Believe what you want, but hogs stop when they decide to...and if you catch these kind it's because you have a dog with enough bottom to stay with the hog until it does so.

Unfortunately, I think bottom (as well as hunt) are two traits genetically inherited and not easily (if at all) taught.
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« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2015, 12:29:16 pm »

Yes there are more flavors of cool aid than just one. And yes hogs stop when they want there ain't no perfect answer to catching hogs. I know most people will say other wise but if you are catching hogs then I guess it's working no reason to change your play calling until it don't work jmo
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« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2015, 01:55:09 pm »

Great points guys. I prefer loose dogs with the bottom/stick and baying ability myself. In my experience, they are about as common as lock down cornerbacks in the NFL.
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Agree totally that rough dogs are a double edged sword. I don't particularly care to have to doctor them and have them laid up all the time.
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Agree that the hog decides when to stop. Good BAY dogs sure can help persuade them to do so.
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Good discussion fellas. I would certainly defer to the East Texas Thicket fellas opinion in that terrain .
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« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2015, 03:02:21 pm »

Dogs are still a little young and I think you got them on the right track just keep taking them to the woods.  When your just getting started it takes a lot of trips for the dogs to figure it out.  Every dog is different and Im not one that says loose finese baying dogs are better than rough gritty dogs.  For me personally I dont care how it gets done as long as it gets done.  I actually prefer rough dogs.  I dont like to lead in catch dogs I like the hog to be caught once he stops.  Either way, whether it be a bay or rough dog the main thing is bottom and dogs not quitting and I personally think this just takes time and every dog matures at a different rate. 
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« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2015, 03:46:32 pm »

    put a little hound in your life !!!!!!!!!   lol   
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