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« on: March 03, 2015, 03:27:19 pm »

5 months ago I got 2 puppies from a friend...2 different breeds, 2 different litters.  Yesterday I laid eyes on their litter mates and couldn't believe it.  They were all at least double the size of the pups that I have.  His run free and mine are in a pen.  Is that reason enough for them to be 1/2 the size of their litter mates???  I feel the hell out of em.  22/10 with beef liver and fresh egg mixed in every other day.  Am I raising midget dogs or is slower growth expected when raised in pens? 

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« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2015, 04:10:40 pm »

5 months ago I got 2 puppies from a friend...2 different breeds, 2 different litters.  Yesterday I laid eyes on their litter mates and couldn't believe it.  They were all at least double the size of the pups that I have.  His run free and mine are in a pen.  Is that reason enough for them to be 1/2 the size of their litter mates???  I feel the hell out of em.  22/10 with beef liver and fresh egg mixed in every other day.  Am I raising midget dogs or is slower growth expected when raised in pens? 

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I had a litter of pups a 1 1/2 ago  some of the pups i gave to my buddy and i kept one. Well the one i have is probly 85 lbs and the ones he had are around 40 lbs. We where shocked when we went to show the pups there first hog at five months. I felt like i had a gaint. But i have talk to some of the owners of the other dogs the said some of theres are small and some are big i guess it was just luck of the the draw well size dont ean nothing as long as there finding hogs.
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« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2015, 05:13:47 pm »

I'm going to watch this thread closely- Ive had the same question on my mind for a while.
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« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2015, 09:53:54 pm »

I have three yella dogs that were born here. They are a little over 2 years old now and litter mates. One is about 100 pounds, one is around 60 and the other is about 35 pounds. Both parents are around 50 to 55 pounds. Your guess is as good as mine why the big difference...
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« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2015, 10:01:00 pm »

My guess is it rained alittle more on some then others


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« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2015, 06:47:56 am »

On 2 different occasions I have seen different size growths on pups. Two of them in the past year. I have a plott pup I got from Big cutters. Stopped by his place one day when the pups were about 4 to 4 1/2 months old. His were much bigger then mine. I asked him what he had been feeding & he said Purina puppy chow. Now I feed a decent feed. Showtime 24/20.
  Another one of my buddies got two pups from me & same thing I went & checked them out. They were a good bit bigger then the two I kept. He was feeding Purina puppy chow.
  Now I don't know if they are just growing off faster, I do not believe they will get any bigger then their genetics allow them too.
  The main thing, I do believe in, is a very good deworming program & keeping your pups parasite free so they can reach their full potential.
  Now back to the Purina puppy food. I now feed all my pups Purina puppy chow. I think it has a better digestibility then other feeds. I also don't know of any other company that has spent millions on research developing their feed.
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« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2015, 06:55:05 am »

That's good info Cajun. How long do you feed your pups the puppy food?

I've always fed mine Sportsmix puppy or Victor puppy for about 4 months then switched them over to adult feed.
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« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2015, 07:46:52 am »

Food might have something to do with it.  I started out feeding puppy chow for the first 2 months, then switched over to a 22/10 feed and added more protein with liver and eggs.  I do know that the other fella does not feed puppy chow though.  He feeds restaurant food scraps and 'bottom of the barrel' dog feed he gets cheap from grocery stores when they have a bag bust open.  I'd be willing to bet that the majority of dogs around my area never seen a piece of puppy chow... people around here just don't buy the high dollar dog food.  Most feed restaurant scraps or cook their own feed with rice and old meat from the grocery store they get for next to nothing.

I still think it boils down to something I'm doing wrong though.  Got a bull dog that is a little pee wee too.  Have not seen his mates, but am sure they are giants compared to him.         
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« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2015, 08:10:00 am »

I have noticed a hand full of times when a pup was fed a low grade feed he grew faster. Seems like it would be the other way around but it happens often enough that I have taken note for sure. Briar Bay, and everyone really, it could be that the pups are getting too much protein with the added scraps, eggs, liver and are taxing their systems. I should have saved the article where I read this but there is a lot of info on the web about too much protein in a dogs diet taxing their liver and kidneys. Could be possible its also stunting growth.
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« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2015, 08:15:26 am »

Should add that I have been stumped more times as to why a pup grew either bigger than expected or smaller with no known reason. In general I'd say the bulk of the reason is just in the genes. Sometimes it shakes out the way you expect, others you get a throwback, then you get an occasional wtf?
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« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2015, 08:34:49 am »

Should add that I have been stumped more times as to why a pup grew either bigger than expected or smaller with no known reason. In general I'd say the bulk of the reason is just in the genes. Sometimes it shakes out the way you expect, others you get a throwback, then you get an occasional wtf?
thats what i think. Between the feed nutrients and the ancestors of the pups.
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« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2015, 12:41:55 pm »

Mike, I feed the the puppy chow until they are about 6 months old. I did notice that the pups I was feeding liked the taste of Purina puppy chow better then the showtime & that might be the difference. Makes sense that if a pup likes a feed,  he will eat more of it.
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« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2015, 12:18:39 pm »

So I've been doing a little research on this and it looks like my feed is to blame.  The dogs still haven't grown much on the 22/10 I'm feeding which has corn as the main ingredient.  Not to mention they poop NON STOP...which tells me they can't be getting much out of the food.  I'm going to switch over to a 24/20 to try to put some size on them.  they are 6 months old now...  do yall think that they will grow on up?  I'm afraid that the crappy food may have stunted their growth some...what yall say? 
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« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2015, 05:12:21 pm »

BriarBay...here is what I have read about some dog food companies and it was a long time ago so maybe it is not true for nowadays...

the tricks are used to attract the unsuspecting buyer with a higher  content of calcium and protein... the protein can be increased by adding hair which is mostly protein but is totally indigestible...the calcium can be increased by adding ground up bone which is not digestible either...

the bag can have it written on it that it is 100% nutritionally complete for all stages of a dogs...and it can only be on the bag if it is true...

if the quality of dog food does not have the proper balance of nutrients needed for proper growth and health then I believe a pups growth may be affected...

I very seldom take a dog or pup to the vet but a veterinarian did tell me to swap to a lesser dog food because the pups were growing too fast for the proper bone development and support...
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« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2015, 07:52:36 am »

Yea, I'm hoping that this new food...Pride 24/20...will give them a little boost before it's too late.  If it doesn't then that just means that my pack will be able to scoot under the briars better than the tall dogs, lol. 
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« Reply #15 on: April 14, 2015, 05:56:11 pm »

My guess is it rained alittle more on some then others


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« Reply #16 on: April 16, 2015, 12:09:05 pm »

^X2!!!

It may be wrong to some of you but I feed all my dogs sport mix. That includes puppies. As soon as they are weaning age they go straight to sport mix. It's small enough for them to chew and they seem to love it. It may not be good for them at that age but I haven't had any problems so far...


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