I gave a old washed up fl cur gyp of mine to a buddy that worked with me that wanted a good dog to ride around in the truck with him and to be a yard dog.... Well she ended up turning into a street hooker and met the neighbors Merle colored Great Dane...long story short these guys were spit out. I took a couple and they made pretty good dogs in our thick woods of fl. A little leggy but not to great dannie. I gave one to a buddy lee Henderson and he was real happy with the dog. And as far as I know is stil making a good hand.