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« Reply #40 on: June 07, 2015, 09:57:53 pm »

Bo Pugh that's awesome sounds like you got some awesome dogs. I will say this it's easier for a dog to run a big hog track due to the stronger sent I would say if a dog can run a 100 lb sow track for a long time would be more impressive to me on tracking ability vs a big ol stinky boar now getting him stopped and bayed and caught is a different story imo


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« Reply #41 on: June 07, 2015, 10:16:49 pm »

No their far from being awesome or even close to that. Right now their all about 20lbs over weight and haven't been out of the pen but a couple times this year. If I hunted them like I use to they would definetly be a lot better. And believe me I have had my fair share of feeding sorry dogs it took me about 10 years to get some dogs I really liked and was proud raise. I am definetly not a good dog trainer I have prob ruined more dogs than I have made lol so I had to find some that had a natural ability cause the training wasn't working out for me for what I wanted in a dog. I enjoy reading about everyone's dogs and how they hunt
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« Reply #42 on: June 08, 2015, 08:02:05 am »

I run treeing walkers an plott hounds we always go the night before the hunt which is mostly weekends an cover up sign an tracks an go back the next day if theres a track made that night can put the hounds on it an will find that hog no matter how far it traveled that night they will stick until the end...we hunt bear the same way find tracks an put a strike dog out most of the time the tracks could be 12 or more hours old put a cold nose dog on that track an let him warm it up then start packing in the others
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« Reply #43 on: June 10, 2015, 02:32:26 pm »

Always an interesting topic to me especially now bc this is what I'm working on now adding into my line of dogs, not just a nose but selecting those individuals who know how to use their nose, I believe this is just as much a learned trait as it is a genetic trait, reason for saying that is I've seen one or two sure enough cold nose dogs in my time that couldn't throw a pup with enough nose to smell cracklings cooking. I've seen some really cold nose dogs that couldn't move a track even if it was attached to them. There's a big difference in having a cold nose dog and a good track dog.
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« Reply #44 on: June 11, 2015, 06:37:23 pm »

Goose87 I agree with that the nose has to be there but so does the noodle


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« Reply #45 on: June 11, 2015, 08:07:06 pm »

I want a dog to find what I put them on.

Also, If its a sounder I want them all cuaght before the dog quits.









These don't happen as often as I'd like and that's why my wife and kids don't often remember the names of the dogs are eating our gravy train till their kinda gray faced. Lol
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« Reply #46 on: June 11, 2015, 10:33:11 pm »

I want a dog to find what I put them on.

Also, If its a sounder I want them all cuaght before the dog quits.










These don't happen as often as I'd like and that's why my wife and kids don't often remember the names of the dogs are eating our gravy train till their kinda gray faced. Lol
I know what you mean T-Bob, the kids and grandkids use to name everything around here, now they don't get one till they sure enough make the final cut. I was running out of good names and started getting mixed up myself.  Wink  Evil
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« Reply #47 on: June 12, 2015, 09:13:50 am »

I want a dog to find what I put them on.

Also, If its a sounder I want them all cuaght before the dog quits.









These don't happen as often as I'd like and that's why my wife and kids don't often remember the names of the dogs are eating our gravy train till their kinda gray faced. Lol

I have seen one dog do that and he wasn't mine...
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« Reply #48 on: June 12, 2015, 07:48:31 pm »

I ain't never seen a dog that finds everything you put them on and dang sure ain't seen one that'll find everyone in the pack I'd sell everything in my yard for one of them robot dogs.
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« Reply #49 on: June 12, 2015, 08:23:10 pm »

You can dream


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« Reply #50 on: June 12, 2015, 09:30:36 pm »

To make a track dog, you HAVE to starve them on cold tracks, and feed him a bunch of em. You have to challenge the dog, and that's what starving him on cold tracks does, so you won't find every hog you put him on in the beginning. But if you call a dog a track dog, and he's 4 years old or older, then any track you put him on that you think he can smell oughta be a found hog, no doubt about it. That's a track dog deluxe.

As far as rallies, there is dogs out there that you would swear could count, and if you bay 6 hogs, you dang well can expect to catch all 6 with them type of dogs. That's the stock dog sense coming out in them stock bred cur dogs some people are raising!
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« Reply #51 on: June 12, 2015, 09:31:45 pm »

I ain't never seen a dog that finds everything you put them on and dang sure ain't seen one that'll find everyone in the pack I'd sell everything in my yard for one of them robot dogs.

way back  I had the pleasure of hunting behind a dog that was a decent strike dog...he was a bay buster but I saw him track down 5 big hogs...as soon as we caught the first one he rolled over and got on the next after the forth one I was wanting to catch the dog and then the hog but he got away before I could get my hands on him...we caught the 5 with just him and one Airedale...once he caught up and cut a hog out the hog could not get away they would be backed up to a tree or a log protecting their back end...that dog had been culled because he was a bay buster and this guy picked him up for 325...I could of had that dog for 325 as well but I passed up...that is one that got away that shouldn't have...he had a chop mouth that could be heard pretty far...and when you got to the bay he was nose to nose...it was around November and the woods was fairly open...the conditions were right for that dog to excel as he did...
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« Reply #52 on: June 12, 2015, 10:29:30 pm »

I've not had one yet who found everything I put it on or bayed every hog in the sounder before quiting, but the one who came the closest to that goal sure aint going anywhere and she can live out the rest of her natural life in front of my fireplace. Had one on track to best her but he died a few months back, and I've got one young one now who will probably be better than her.
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« Reply #53 on: June 13, 2015, 02:34:05 am »

I've not had one yet who found everything I put it on or bayed every hog in the sounder before quiting, but the one who came the closest to that goal sure aint going anywhere and she can live out the rest of her natural life in front of my fireplace. Had one on track to best her but he died a few months back, and I've got one young one now who will probably be better than her.
It really aint dreaming so much as setting a goal and not coming off it, but I see what y'all mean.

I always say, you'll end up with what you put up with

yep...it is all in the breeding...hold to a high standard...and keep them related...the hardest part is finding good dogs to start out with...after 3 or 4 generations they will actually be better than what we start with, and the percentage of good pups produced goes up...breeding is half of the equation, selecting the right pups to keep is the other half...

tracking ability...breed and select for the all around hunting dog...

test the pups for winding, finding and tracking...I start testing at 6-8 weeks...I look for natural ability and I turn the pups out and watch them most every day to see what they do and how they do it...I try to figure out how the pups are mentally wired...natural ability begets more natural ability...

most of the time we turn the dogs loose and it won't be long they will have one jumped and running in these thick palmettoes...

I like hunting best when the dogs have to hunt hard to find a hog...in the woods I like excellent dog work above most everything else...but the properties just aren't big enough for the kind of dogs I like...
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« Reply #54 on: July 14, 2015, 10:04:18 pm »

A hound's tracking ability is more refined than that of a cur. Nose, instinct or whatever it may be, a good hound can lock onto a track and move it in a way I've never seen a cur do. If you look at studies on the subject, curs are said to use a mixture of scent, sight and sound, whereas hounds track almost solely by scent. If this is true, then one could say that hounds have a better nose than curs, individual variation notwithstanding.

there are curs out there that will run a track pretty fast and lots of times when the wind is blowing and the hog is running cross wind the dogs are running with their heads up and running off the wind currents of the track 10 or twenty yards downwind of the track...usually a hot track when they are running it this way...the few hounds I have seen that get gone quick pass up many good tracks and tend to look for hotter tracks...

good cur dogs make it look easy in finding hogs...the same dogs will rig off the wheeler, can be free casted or can be roaded...stop too long and a good cur will cover lots of ground fast meaning make a loop and then loop further out...a good cur dogs brain is wired to take a track and also work the wind currents...they are looking to strike pretty quick...they cut and slash to find the hot end of a track...we as  dog handlers will teach our dogs to hunt their best or not...by how we hunt them...more so with the type of dogs that want to hunt with us...I like dogs that want to hunt with me to a certain extent...IMO we should do our part in molding the dogs style of hunting...by casting them into the wind... when roading stop when they look interested...and get out and help them with the track especially young dogs if needed...if they take it wait to see if they come back or if they line it out...the dogs will learn you will wait on them and they will work it harder and be more thorough about it because they know you are waiting on them...if they line it out they couldn't care less if you waited on them or not because that is how their brain is wired...if one of the dogs picks his nose up into the wind and goes into the thick briars and comes back then it is up to us to where that scent is coming from...is it channeling through a dry creek or an open meadow 3 or 4 hundred yards away???as good dog handlers we will steer the dogs in that direction when roading...sometimes the scent is coming over the briars and when the dog gets in the thick briars he loses the scent...when we hunt this way we are bringing out the best in our dogs...and good dogs will only get better...I call this hunting with my dogs...and not...my dogs hunting with me...I like an all around dog and that includes good tracking ability...quite a bit of how a dog works has to do with how we hunt...we have to be in tune with our dogs...
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« Reply #55 on: August 06, 2015, 10:25:13 pm »

Reuben I think knowing your dogs and how to hunt them is key. And just knowing how your dogs work can add a lot in there production. Nose range bottom how they work is key. Knowledge of these thing can make a lesser dog out do a better dog on the production side of it. It's all really simple we as people screw it up lol


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