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Any of the catch dogs I've hunted with would have at least died trying to catch that hog lol
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They better die trying hell my curs would catch that hog
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My 2 cents for what its worth.
I personally prefer a pitbull on the smaller side 40-55lbs or so due to size mainly. I have hunted with some really nice ab's that Mr. Bryant (underdog) bred that could get it done as good as any pit i have hunted behind. The 1 big difference (in my experiences) is that all of the ab's ive hunted with have been lead in dogs, not to say that you couldnt send em to a bay, i just have not seen it. The way we hunt most of the time we get within 50-100yds from the bay and turn a pit to em then follow right behind as opposed to walking the pit all the way to the bay.
One of, if not the biggest factor in my opinion is what the rest of your dogs will do when the bulldog gets there. Ours are generally a bit rougher and more often than not catch the hog without a bulldog but they have enough sense to know when they need to back up and bay, they all pile on with the bulldog which is another reason i tend to lean towards a smaller pit as opposed to a bigger cd, if our dogs didnt help catch i would be looking for an ab to use.
Bottom line is both breeds have rockstars and culls, dont worry about the breed as much as the line that the dogs come from and decide what will fit your hunting style the best.
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Also just to throw it out there, the ab's that i have hunted bebind (lacy man, peachcreek and underdogs to be exact) have been much more chill and easy going while on the buggy and before as well as after a bay as opposed to alot of the pitbulls ive seen. Some pits just flat out lose it around a hog or at the sound of the bay, while i can't knock em for their drive/want to i can say that i dont care for it personally and try not to keep a dog that wont relax.
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The reason justin has only seen our abs be walked right in close to a bay is we care if our dogs get wrecked. Sending a cd in from 50-100 yards is just asking for heat stroke or for stuff to get wrecked. How many times have you been headed in and hit a wall of briars or such that you have had to crawl through. I see people loose cd just about every week and it is just about always from sending them in from way out. If my ab could hear a bay a mile away i could send him from a mile away. Lol
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Some dogs might be uncontrollable...but usually, it is a handler problem...years ago I had to struggle with most of my dogs because they were chomping at the bit to go...I learned to refuse to move forward until the dog settled and calmed down before proceeding...you need to be firm and calm...works great...
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
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A lead used properly or correctively will solve most of that. I like smaller pits becuz of terrain but lot of time with rough dogs
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bignasty
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we use both american bull and pit bull both are capable of making a fine dog.if i had to choose i have to go pit bull for overall health/hips/wind/sisor bite
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I didnt post that to start a fight. I personally liked those dogs and wasnt talking down on em.....differemt strokes for different folks.
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This is my first post on this board....
I've been member a while (though ive tried to register but couldnt make it work) after following for years.
Both good breeds. Loosely interpreted
Both got great dogs for catching hogs and both got crappers (fer catching hogs) as Justin said.
I love the ab. Had many and for quite a while.
Great temperment and handle and the good ones way more trainable and steady then the pitbull IMO
What I found lacking in comparison was wind, teeth, nimbleness and a certain degree of fire. The last is debatable as in this line work only enough fire to hold a good hog is needed and anymore is a detriment as in being too 'hot'.
As hog hunting is all I do with bulldogs I wanted best of both worlds. Not to say you can't have it all in a dog of either breed by itself either.
But I'm just working with dogs I have, and my own personal experience.
I decided to cross the two.
I have the best hog catching ab I've owned. After many many abs, and being in the breed for a while. And working different venues. She the only one I got left because I became a sold hog hunter from first time out.
I decided to cross the ab with a pitbull.
Mind you I've hunted along side plenty of them as well over the years and didn't care for some in the others were total package on their own.
Now like I said I started with a good line of ab that is known for a great handle and hog hunting propensity, but I felt I still had room for improvement.
Now working with what I had available and have seen in action over a couple of generations of the line of putbull I chose to cross with. I can say they are big strong catchweight dogs that breed consistent with a hate for a hog. I have seen some that were hard as nails but not worth damn on a hog and I have seen some that all around may have been better but for one reason or another were not available. But the dog I bred too, I have seen the sire and multiple siblings come out great straight catchdogs naturally. But these are (to tread lightly here, as recent posts go, which I enjoyed reading and respect alot, were 'game bred' dogs. And needed a moderate amout of policing when not actually employed on the intended task. That can be a pain in the ass.
Something you don't get as much with a cd bred ab.
I figured, after breeding trials, and internal debate squash a little of the nonsense from the pit but add what I saw was needed in the ab. (This is on a purely catchdog level)
By crossing two well thought out and prooven tru breeding families for catching hogs of both breeds.
...again, not to say you couldn't get it from either breed by itself.
I just wanted more consistency on the outcome and what I deemed each breed lacked for that as a norm.
Anyway. Pups aren't quite a year yet , snd jury is still in deliberation, but they seem to be a great balance and I got what I was looking for as tools, handle and drive go for hogdogs.
Just relating my experience and there are bunch of folks on here that know me and I defer to them got any more experienced input
That just my two cents..,
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This is not to say that they are gonna be perfect at all. Like I said jury is still out. But also my Frankenstein experiment may yet hold another component in next couple years. Could be I may add yer a third breed. This cross I accidentally bred made a heck of a catchdog and I'd love to incorporate it as well. After all a little hot nose rough curr couldn't hurt lol http://www.easttexashogdoggers.com/forum/index.php?topic=90228.0 |
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Crap! Lol
One more typo just got clear up...
Should have read cur with one 'r' on the previous post. Just because that black n tan catahoula in the last link is a cur he def aint no curr
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Hey Semmes would like to see your pups and good luck with the endevor. I have been doing the cross for a couple years myself for some of the same reasons. Get better natural endurance, smaller size, Like a 65 - 85 lb males, very consistant athletic ability, etc. At this point I am keeping them about 3/4 AB 1/4 APBT. They keep the positives and do not revert back to 50 Lb dogs like a pit. I do not see going to any other breed, I am very pleased with these. They are primarily Bullhead ABs and tight Chinaman APBT. Brody,  Rooster just turned 12 months http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/american_bulldog/dog.html?id=2176018-pluguglys-rooster Sadie 1.5 yo  PupPup  Mixer  Lula  Bullheads Cesar. Just had pups out of Cesar and Lula.  |
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Judge peel
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Those are some good looking dogs fella
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l.h.cracker
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Dang right there built just like I like em.
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Teag_D here is one of the Semmes hybrid pups. She caught her first hobbled, then second as a 1 out free catch in a pen and has continued progressing since. If my math serves me right these dogs just made 11 months. I have witnessed mine and the one that Semmes has catch and I can without a doubt say that he is on the right track... Even with the Frankenstein experiment, he did something right lol. That dog now owned and posted about by slimhogdog is a monster. Meet Roux, short for Roux-ga-roux  Her playing with my 4yr old 45lb pit Dax at 8mo old  Most recent   Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Teag_D
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She is a looker for sure, good luck with her. I remember seeing the past post and liked the parents too. For me the cross is just the way to go. I know several people doing this and most all of em continue. When it nicks the progeny just are hard to beat
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