For the ones that have hog dogs

[oconee]

Didn't figure you could take it.  Ha ha ha.       Being honest with ourselves is vitally important to us moving forward.   Good luck Judge.

[Judge peel]

Oh I can take it bubba say what ever you like it won't change any of my thoughts just as any thing I say won't  change you lol. But thanks for the good luck comment maybe I was to harsh and it brought a speckle of kindness out lol


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[Black Streak]

I will answer your question Judge.   If the dog that bayed the 3 closer hogs couldn't have bayed the hog the others bayed then he's not in their class IMO because it stands to reason they could've bayed the 3 hogs themselves if they hadn't gotten unlucky and getting on the runner.   JMO

 That's one way to see it but who's to say that those two dogs that wound up miles away didn't start that pig miles sooner but stayed with it till they got it bayed up.     If those dogs quit that pig and bayed one that give them less of a run for their money, you saying you would like that better?      You want a dog that would quit a hard hog to shut down for an easier one?    Is that a better dog?        Unless you can actually analyze what really happened correctly,  you just making stabs at assumptions and basing opinion and analysis of a dog off false interpretation.      Lots of things happen for reasons we are not concious of.   Untill you can understand what's really REALLY happening, you can't make an accurate analysis.      That piece of crap dog that past them other 3pigs up might not be such a piece of crap

[hansonw]

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[Black Streak]

I will answer your question Judge.   If the dog that bayed the 3 closer hogs couldn't have bayed the hog the others bayed then he's not in their class IMO because it stands to reason they could've bayed the 3 hogs themselves if they hadn't gotten unlucky and getting on the runner.   JMO

 That's one way to see it but who's to say that those two dogs that wound up miles away didn't start that pig miles sooner but stayed with it till they got it bayed up.     If those dogs quit that pig and bayed one that give them less of a run for their money, you saying you would like that better?      You want a dog that would quit a hard hog to shut down for an easier one?    Is that a better dog?        Unless you can actually analyze what really happened correctly,  you just making stabs at assumptions and basing opinion and analysis of a dog off false interpretation.      Lots of things happen for reasons we are not concious of.   Untill you can understand what's really REALLY happening, you can't make an accurate analysis.      That piece of crap dog that past them other 3pigs up might not be such a piece of crap. 
   
   Sorry, miss read the post.   My response doesn't fit what i replied to.

[Bo Pugh]

I don't go hunting to hangout with buddy's or play in the mud or socialize or whatever, I go to see dogs work that's it. I'm not talking about riding around a field and seeing a hog and turning a bulldog on it and catching it and taking pics and calling that a hog dog. However you hunt, dogs that hunt around looking up and down at you wondering which way to go or  even baying for a hour or so or running a hog a mile or so and then come trotting back ready to get after the next one is not a hog dog Their a dime a dozen no matter how you hunt. I like dogs that do things that the average dogs can't do it doesn't matter to me who has them if it's me or the man across the road. I like to see the best. i think putting a dog on hogs makes them if it's in the right ways. It's a man close to me has a great place to hunt but he don't have a dog that will take a track he just rides lets dogs run in front and hog cross the road boom it's caught if the hog can make it about 800 yards it's safe cause their coming back. That don't make hog dogs. I got a dog named Ben when he was 8 months old I seen he was different he was running 4+ hour races and leading some of them so I started hunting him by himself a lot. It was several hogs be couldn't find but it was several he figured out and all on his own. That's why I hunt is for dogs like this . He just turned 2 September and my buddy had him most of the summer and just brought him back the other day. And told me all you have to do now is let him get out of the box and he will take you hunting. I'm not bragging on the dog by any means but to me that's what's it's about is dogs that's impressive and better than the average mutt. but he's not the kind of dog you can walk behind or with and keep up regardless of if your in Texas or alabama. if a dog can't make a hog it ain't a hog dog it's just a dog you use to catch hogs with is the way I see it.
 

[oconee]

Black sheep your rambling has me scratching my head but if your saying a dog that quits a hog race and finds another hog that doesn't run and bays it up is a hog dog you nuts.      By the way how many hogs do you catch a year???

[Bo Pugh]

a dog that quits a hog and bays one on the way back is not a hog dog it's a Russian socket

[hansonw]

Out of all the views 13 people have admitted to how many hogs they catch a year. Thanks for the ones who posted in going to assume the rest dog catch more than a handful...


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[Black Streak]

Black sheep your rambling has me scratching my head but if your saying a dog that quits a hog race and finds another hog that doesn't run and bays it up is a hog dog you nuts.      By the way how many hogs do you catch a year???

That's not what I said.     I read the thing wrong and replied to what I missread.     You miss read what I wrote  too lol

[hansonw]

I'll guess 7


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[Black Streak]

I don't go hunting to hangout with buddy's or play in the mud or socialize or whatever, I go to see dogs work that's it. I'm not talking about riding around a field and seeing a hog and turning a bulldog on it and catching it and taking pics and calling that a hog dog. However you hunt, dogs that hunt around looking up and down at you wondering which way to go or  even baying for a hour or so or running a hog a mile or so and then come trotting back ready to get after the next one is not a hog dog Their a dime a dozen no matter how you hunt. I like dogs that do things that the average dogs can't do it doesn't matter to me who has them if it's me or the man across the road. I like to see the best. i think putting a dog on hogs makes them if it's in the right ways. It's a man close to me has a great place to hunt but he don't have a dog that will take a track he just rides lets dogs run in front and hog cross the road boom it's caught if the hog can make it about 800 yards it's safe cause their coming back. That don't make hog dogs. I got a dog named Ben when he was 8 months old I seen he was different he was running 4+ hour races and leading some of them so I started hunting him by himself a lot. It was several hogs be couldn't find but it was several he figured out and all on his own. That's why I hunt is for dogs like this . He just turned 2 September and my buddy had him most of the summer and just brought him back the other day. And told me all you have to do now is let him get out of the box and he will take you hunting. I'm not bragging on the dog by any means but to me that's what's it's about is dogs that's impressive and better than the average mutt. but he's not the kind of dog you can walk behind or with and keep up regardless of if your in Texas or alabama. if a dog can't make a hog it ain't a hog dog it's just a dog you use to catch hogs with is the way I see it.
 

 
    Sound to me you just described general dim a dozen hog dogs.          You like a dog that can't stop a hog, you like dogs that can't catch pigs.    In short you are fond of a long drawn put inefficient process that requires the use of two teams of dogs to catch 1 pig.       Same general dim a dozen BS i said others have, your just more proud of yours because they tend to draw it out longer than most everyone else's and you look at it as good dog work and think yours are special above most others.   
   I like to see good dog work myself but on a scale much different and much much more efficient than you described.
1 dog that finds its own pig, runs it down at a speed that makes your jaw drop, and then catches and controls the pig with ease without getting roughed up. That to me is a dog that is not a dime a dozen.     Your great dog you refer to is a bay dog.   Poor little fellow only has half the an average finder holder does.      And you dare say you have a pig dog and act as if it's special when them old worthless bulldogs got to be sent in to finish what your prized dog could not.
        What I'm getting at is if you start talking biased crap and get all high and mighty on how great of dogs you have, better look over your shoulder what you neighbor has or his neighbor has.    You might find someone has you beat when you start implying you have what the definition of a hog dog is and the standard by which all should be measured against .   Paint with a broad brush and you garner a lot of attention .          I'm not saying my dogs are badass, but using your description of a dog that can only do half the job while mine do it all, I think you had better reevaluate what you call a hog dog since u are touting it

[hansonw]

Sounds to me like you just pull up to a field find a hog in the field an turn a catch dog out and give them the name of a finder holder. Hell I can do that with a darn Bulldog from the pound. You ain't got nothing...


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[Slim9797]

Just got going this year in May and have caught one 40 lb shoat that my lead dog winded from about 200 yards right before a tornado touched down. My best dog left out after that shoat and bayed another hog but I had to leave her bayed because the weather went to chit(tornado touched down 5 miles from where we caught not 20 minutes after we caught) I WALK hunt. Since we caught that one I had one hunt where we bayed hogs. My mutts bayed up 4 times and couldn't hold the hog bayed before the catch dog got there.(my best dog so I call her is a suicidal rough lacy dog who gets hogs running) We hunt the one ranch we have permission on about once every month and it has a good amount of hogs but a lot of activity besides us( lumber jacks and cowboys working cattle that push the hogs out) I have fun behind my dogs and I don't mind feeding them. I call them hog dogs because that is what they hunt, regardless of how good they are! They all know what a hog is and will run a hog before they run trash. I enjoy following my hogs around and knowing all but one is less than 14 months old I don't get angry I haven't caught more. I've been offered money to come help ranches with a hog problem out but have declined because my dogs aren't any where near good enough to charge money to bring somewhere. But again I have fun and enjoy myself when I'm in the woods with them. They are my best friends and I enjoy them.

[Shotgun wg]

Hanson u posed the question which dog is better the dog that is 2yr old been on 50 pigs or the 10 month old that's been on 100? That answer depends on population. In an area with an over abundance of hogs that 10 month old could fall out the truck on a hog. While that 2 yr old could be in an area that sightings are rare but possible. It is my opinion a man can learn far more about the ability and hunt in a dog in an area with no sign at all. Any dog can bark at a pig and most will if there is one behind every other tree. I have hit an area or 2 with high numbers over the years. I had places if I couldn't get on a hog in 30 min I got agitated. After a few years and several methods we got to the point I spent most of a summer trying to track down 3 hogs on 10k acres. We got 1 of them but it took a lot of dry runs to get it.

In the end if u want to know what kinda dogs u got go to a place with absolutely no sign and u know has lil to no pop and see how they act.


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Arkansas

[oconee]

Black sheep this "finder holder" load of crap is the craziest thing I've ever had forced on me.   What breed are these dogs?   How good of noses do they have?   How do you hunt, walk, road, rig, etc?    How in the hell did you ever come up with such an awesome name?   "Finder holder"   wow I have to get me some of these, tell me more, tell me more!!

[l.h.cracker]

Oconee and Hanson you two are like a couple of school yard bullies and if someone dares to post something intelligent about the diversities of hog dogs and hunting tachtics they are met with a baraje of banter and torment.A couple of yapping ass sh@t eaters that are just to fast to give a good swift kick.

Who the Hell made you two the authorities on what determines the make up of a hog dog and a hog hunter. If you go to the woods with dogs and catch a hog with them then that's pretty much the only requirement to call yourself a hog dogger.I know people who catch as many hogs aa you do in ayear Hanson in a couple months time and like Blackstreak said they just won't post on here because of people like you and they've been doing it forever have a plethora of knowledge that goes untapped because they've got no use for the headache. Blackstreak catches hogs big nasty hogs and in a manner that has been used for decades in Australia. The finder holders he owns and speaks so highly of are pig dogs no doubt that have been proven for Many generations by men who hunt for a living.The ruff catching dogs were the very first hog dogs and were softened up through breeding to suit people like you Oconee. It's funny how you are poking fun at Blackstreak about numbers and you're at the bottom of the totem pole.As for you Hanson there are alot of people who catch alot more than you I promise it's all relative to the spots you have to hunt.My places make us work our butts off for a hog but we still get it done walking and at years end probably ain't to far off your number but that don't mean sh@t to me as long as my dogs are performing at the level that I believe they should be then that's what matters.Period.

[Black Streak]

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Sounds to me like you just pull up to a field find a hog in the fithemselvesrn a catch dog out and give them the name of a finder holder. Hell I can do that with a darn Bulldog from the pound. You ain't got nothing...


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That's how I start pups but that ain't how i hunt them after they are mature enough to handle themselves on big boars that they find for themselves.        My dogs hunt the woods and thickets same as everyone else's on here.      Catching pigs in fields is fun stuff to watch.   To see a dog with about the speed of a grey hound fly across open ground and smoke it's prey down is awsome to watch.  Just because my dogs can do that and yours wouldn't do anything but run them out of the field and chase them to where the pig chooses to stop and fight doesn't mean you have better dogs than me lol.    The dogs I run are heck of a lot more versatile than yours sounds to me because you would have to go to the pound to get something that would stand a chance to catch one in a field.    Problem with that theory is, your pound bulldogs you get aren't much faster than a pig is, if any faster at all.      That means they still chase the pigs out of the field and catch them where the pig chooses to stop and fight.      I catch pigs on my dogs terms not the pigs terms.    Be it in the woods or fields.  Your just pissy because I can catch pigs in open ground and my way of hunting is catching pigs on my dogs terms not the pigs terms.    My dogs probably catch more pigs in the woods than your dogs do truth be know .

[Black Streak]

Black sheep this "finder holder" load of crap is the craziest thing I've ever had forced on me.   What breed are these dogs?   How good of noses do they have?   How do you hunt, walk, road, rig, etc?    How in the hell did you ever come up with such an awesome name?   "Finder holder"   wow I have to get me some of these, tell me more, tell me more!!

Australians have been running and catching pigs with dogs like this for decades.     Look up Ned Makim and his dogs.   Mine are similar to his and the hunt style is the same.     Reason i point you to him, is there is a lot of info scattered around the net that he as wrote.   He was even on here at one time but hmmm, wonder why he didn't stay.    Anyway he has lots of information on his dogs and articulates things very well.   Very very good dogman.    You can learn more about my style by researching him than I can articulate.   Finder Holder is not an American term to describe how a dog works, it's an Australian term but so is the way I hunt pigs

[Black Streak]

I hope you guys and gals reading this thread don't read this as I'm hating on bay dogs and bulldogs.     I am not talking down on them only the directing my comments about them to the couple guys bashing on my dogs and acting like they aren't real hog dogs.    Sorry if I've offended anyone.    I like all kinds of hog dogs.   Curs, hounds,  bulldogs, long dogs, and lurchers.    I respect and appreciate all forms of hog dogging and have done it all except with hounds which to me are truly fascinating.    I have come to run the kinda dogs i do because my heart lies with catch dogs such as pits and bulldogs.  Just my own personal personality.    Most people are drawn to the strike dog on a yard full of dogs but me, i go to the bull dogs and love on them.    When i realized this coupled with how i wanted to approach hunting with dogs, i started seeking what i later come to learn was a finder holder and already existed.    Problem was getting hands on them here in the US because these dogs were not a dime a dozen.  Quite a rarity here in the US.   Within 6 or 8 months of me actively wanting to change over to this kinda dog, i accidentally stumbled into the line of dogs i currently have.   I got two female puppies and started from their.    Do to my success with those two puppies at such a young age and my devotion to them, a couple more doors have opened up to me which allowed me to fully focuse on hunting with this style of dog.    If you have ever watched any of the Bloom Brothers DVDs, you have seen this style of dog at work then.     I'm very happy and proud of my dogs and my way of hunting with them and feel like I have the right to defend them and my style against the biased egotistical jerks on here that think their way is best and if you don't hunt like them or have dogs like them, then you ain't got hog dogs and you ain't a dog man.      So in my defense of my style, I hope you all have not taken me as saying my way is best or my dogs as better than anyone else's on here.    I love and respect all forms of hog dogging and am not talking down on any form, just to the guys that are talking down upon me and my dogs or my style is all.    So sorry to all of you who are silent that may have read me wrong while i was standing up for them.