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« on: November 15, 2015, 10:25:05 am »

Well kinda what I thought would happen did but I was in shock on how impressive it was. That left hand was a trip hammer Ronda had no chance what so ever it was done after the second exchange wow still taking it in i member watching holy few yrs back thinking that she was bad chick then Ronda was the baddest well that changed. That truly shows the power of a strike to the face that has no answer


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« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2015, 10:50:37 am »

I have respect for both of them but Ronda found out that you can't just do everything one way!
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« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2015, 11:05:52 am »

I watched it this morning and looked to me Ronda was trying to box at first. She in my opinion let Holly set the tone style and speed of the fight. By the end of the first round Ronda looked winded and desperate. She dropped her gaurd and began to walk into those lefts. Holly fought a good fight the way she chose to and defeated her using her strengths. Staying off the ground and at arms length. I look forward to a rematch. I do not know if the outcome will repeat but I would bet Ronda will be in better shape and the fight will be a good one. Congrats to Holly on a good fight.


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« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2015, 11:25:01 am »

I watched it this morning and looked to me Ronda was trying to box at first. She in my opinion let Holly set the tone style and speed of the fight. By the end of the first round Ronda looked winded and desperate. She dropped her gaurd and began to walk into those lefts. Holly fought a good fight the way she chose to and defeated her using her strengths. Staying off the ground and at arms length. I look forward to a rematch. I do not know if the outcome will repeat but I would bet Ronda will be in better shape and the fight will be a good one. Congrats to Holly on a good fight.


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Well said i had a feeling holm might get a k.o. but it was hard to say since she never fought anybody  in the top 5 but she was a chanp in boxing an i think  that helped alot with her nerves. A lot of fighters get intemadated when they face a big names.
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« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2015, 01:42:32 pm »

On Friday I didn't know anyone that thought the #7 ranked fighter would beat Rhonda. But Holly came in with a great game plan, and she is really strong for that weight. See how Rhonda couldn't throw her around. Hardest things in striking to do is hitting a moving target and the footwork it takes to hit while coming in and out of movement. Holly like Connor have very good footwork and use it really well.

Yes I feel you guys are right, her striking and her striking coach got exposed. That armenian dude is okay as like a youth coach but has no business in the big leagues. Did you hear his advice in the corner between rounds? " Your doing great she is just trying to hit you with the left and the right hook over the top so just keep your hands up". LOL Yes that is exactly what she is doing but how about giving her some real coaching or strategy on what to do, like maybe tell her to stop chasing her and cut off the ring with steady pressure. Their a proper way to cut off the ring but that is kind of a lost art in itself. I can go on with more but I will stop myself as I know everybody wants to armchair QB cause I used to hear it when I was fighting professionally and it would annoy me but just thought I would throw this little bit out there.
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« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2015, 04:21:01 pm »

It's like Bruce Lee says....usually the one with the best hands wins... I see it a lot in MMA.  I have a strong boxing back ground and a knowledge of judo, bjj, and wrestling. . Guys well trained in bjj have a hard time doing MMA with me because of my striking but once I'm on the ground it's like a fish out of water . lol. Holm squashed her judo with good defense and put it to her in the stand up...

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« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2015, 05:15:22 pm »

It's like Bruce Lee says....usually the one with the best hands wins... I see it a lot in MMA.  I have a strong boxing back ground and a knowledge of judo, bjj, and wrestling. . Guys well trained in bjj have a hard time doing MMA with me because of my striking but once I'm on the ground it's like a fish out of water . lol. Holm squashed her judo with good defense and put it to her in the stand up...

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You make some good points, but I wouldn't agree with the person with the best hands win. But your point about BJJ is very true my wrestling coach and head mma coach as my background was wrestling and boxing, used to say that anyones BJJ is only as good as their wrestling meaning if they cannot take you down then they cannot apply their craft.

Wrestling gives you control of the fight usually. As it lets you dictate where the fight will be taking place. Their are obviously exceptions to this but that rule applies the majority of the time. But people are cross training so much and so many people are competing that new strategies are being created every day. The progression is crazy.
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« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2015, 05:57:38 pm »

Rednose I agree for the most part. But I would say take downs and position In most cases only gets points. A knock to the face or gut will zap your spirt and strength and change your will. I told my friends if Ronda don't win the first 45 seconds be hard road and it was. But I know she will be back


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« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2015, 06:24:50 pm »

Holly molly!   I feel like  geek amongst all you ex fighters and badxxx's.     I take back everything I ever said that yall didn't agree with.      angel        I'm gonna go away for a while and take me some leasing so i can come back and hang out with my buddies again and not feel  so inferior.

   Just kidding, but i am pretty pissed I'm not the tuff guy on the forum.   Hmmm, think I'll just go play with my wife's cats or something.
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« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2015, 06:30:14 pm »

LOL Black Streak I know what you mean. Glad I been polite! I'm too darn old to fight, I'd just have to choot em!
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« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2015, 07:18:40 pm »

Proves there always some one better then u just if ur going to find them or not


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« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2015, 07:45:32 pm »

Lol yeah i was just funning and am friends with lot of those guys off line but iddidn't know they were such skilled fighters. 
     I figured they would get a chuckle from what I wrote.     Wouldn't have done it had i not have some sort of relationship with most of them.     I've always been serious on here but I'm actually a fairly fun guy.
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« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2015, 07:51:53 pm »

Anybody make $$$ off Holly's victory? Wish i had put 100$ on her
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« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2015, 09:54:55 pm »

Rednose I agree for the most part. But I would say take downs and position In most cases only gets points. A knock to the face or gut will zap your spirt and strength and change your will. I told my friends if Ronda don't win the first 45 seconds be hard road and it was. But I know she will be back


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You are right Judge like Tyson's says everyone has a plan until they get hit in the face lol But it can also go the other way too, when a striker cannot stay on his feet, I mean when you take them down then you let them get back up to just take them down again, it breaks their spirit as well. Plus if you have a strong ground and pound game you can do a lot of damage with elbows and good ground and pound.

But fighters like Holly and McGregor are showing really good foot work and movement can negate take downs that aren't setup well now. Good stuff!
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« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2015, 10:25:43 pm »

Yes sir the art of take downs is much harder than it looks but easier defended then strikes imo. Nothing is the same as a clean pop to the face and if you look at the feet of boxer base vs wrestler base it favors the striker until in the drive and off the feet a standing clinch ain't much better for the wrestler. But if you don't have a decent guard and can't get to your feet then your in trouble. The biggest thing I saw from holm was the right kick to the left leg which was a distance gauge for the left had which was placed at will. If I was Ronda I would get rid of my trainer that fool said in between the rd that she was doing good. As I saw it she never had a chance imo


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« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2015, 07:03:18 pm »

Ronda's coach is a joke, her lack of conditioning and preparation showed. She's a talented girl, but when she couldn't implement her gameplan/judo, and then started taking solid shots. You could see the frustration in her face, the bull rushing, wild swinging punches.

Holly came in great shape, very well prepared and superior coaching with a gameplan. She took a few good shots, but she remained calm and stayed the course. In the 2nd round Ronda was already gassed and desperate, Holly kept dodging the bull rush and picking her shots, and that kick was definitely heard around the world.
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« Reply #16 on: November 16, 2015, 07:26:29 pm »

I truly think she thought that she would do like she always does and didn't think past that. Imo no matter how she trains won't change much other than last longer but still lose. The smack down was ridiculous I have watched it 6 times and each time I say would you look at that. Foot work on point distance on point strikes on point. Even when she got hit her foot work negated another shot jmo


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« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2015, 07:27:05 pm »

that was a butt whoopping...

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« Reply #18 on: November 17, 2015, 07:52:22 am »

Great fight, as was the Straw weight fight. I called Holly beating Rhonda. Rhonda is a one dimensional fighter! Plus Holly had Weinkelman in her corner who is one of the best coaches out there! Holly has been a true fighter alot longer then Rhonda, she has been conditioned and trained to take kicks and punches where Rhonda has not! The same will happen to Chris Weidman when he fights Luke Rockhold. A good striker will beat a good wrestler 9 out of 10 times.
I feel the best base to be a good fighter is having the abilities to use your hand, elbows, and your feet! You learn better foot work, and how to create range and angles! It's easier to keep a wrestler at bay if your good with your feet and hands then a wrestler keeping a striker at bay. Now do not get me wrong, you need to know how to fight on the ground as well! But a stand up base gives you alot more weapons then a wrestler! In todays times of MMA you have to have all the skills to be the best! Bruce Lee understood you had to have fighting skills to fight  close courters, mid range, as well as kicking range! But he was more interested in real combat, not sport combat, which is totally different! When someone is trying to kill you on the street is alot different then trying to get a submission or win on points! The last place you want to be in a life or death fight is on the ground! That's where speed, mobility, and movement is very important! Learning to fight with your hands, knife, stick, pistol, or long gun are what has always interested me, but I love all aspects of combat!
A rematch between the two will end the same! Now on to the next good fights!! Aldo vs McGreagor, and Chris Weidman vs Luke Rockhold! What's all your takes on these fights?
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« Reply #19 on: November 17, 2015, 10:36:06 am »

TazD I agree.     Aldo x  McGregor imo will end in by knock out late in the first rd by left hand by Connor to unify the belt. Now aldo fights in small stands and will coast of allowed. He thros punches in bunches they are deadly but I feel like Connor counters and moves good and as Mendez should us has a big chin. I look for Connor to come out with lots of movement tons on kicks and will set the pace. All of that is to set the left hand only will take one. I am watching to see if Aldo's right leg kick is effective this can be a game changer if Connor checks it look for right slap hook with straight left. If he is effective with leg kick look for a pounce by aldo this will be his best chance. If he stands in front of Connor I would look for him to take a brutal beating by Connor.  Weidman all the way think his stay in front of Luke exchange then take down. I think the exchanges and take down will just be the ending of it unless weidman just stands up   


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