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« on: November 25, 2015, 07:35:41 pm » |
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Here's a ped I put together on cross we're thinking about doing. What do y'all think about it... too tight, not too tight? Any thoughts or comments welcome.  |
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TheRednose
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« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2015, 07:49:55 pm » |
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The ped is a little off but I like it. Hows Pancho bred? But depending on that I don't think it is too close. Especially if Winchester and Tweety were some sure enougn dogs. Looks like a Nephew to Aunt breeding, good way to keep your family of dogs going. Good luck with it.
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Scott
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« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2015, 07:51:14 pm » |
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What's behind Pancho? Was Winchester catahoula? I seem to recall him being a BMC or cross bred.
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Mike
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« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2015, 08:04:14 pm » |
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Pancho was a 3/4 bmc 1/4 plott and Winchester was just a brindle cur that went back to the Winfrey dogs... Tweety was a catahoula that Krystal Rohan traced back 11 generations.
These black dogs are scatterbred... but have produced a high percentage of good dogs over the past several years.
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« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2015, 08:16:09 pm » |
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Reuben
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« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2015, 08:19:23 pm » |
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I like how the pedigree is moving towards a tighter gene pool...if the selection process is there then you should see a higher percentage of quality pups...make sure to keep updating this thread so we can see the progression...do you have pics of Jase and Molly?
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
A hunting dog is born not made...
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Scott
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« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2015, 08:22:24 pm » |
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It's a loose linebreeding due to all the outcross genes from Pancho and Winchester. You could crunch on that ped for a while...
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Mike
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« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2015, 08:26:45 pm » |
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That's what I'm to get to Reuben... slowly but surely. Unfortunately, most of the dogs in this ped are dead now. But there's a lot of related dogs out there down from the Tweety/Winchester cross that I could go back to if needed... from grandpups, great grandpups to great great grandpups. I try to keep track of as many as I can.
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Mike
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« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2015, 08:28:28 pm » |
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It's a loose linebreeding due to all the outcross genes from Pancho and Winchester. You could crunch on that ped for a while...
That's what I was thinking Scott... I should be able to cross the dogs above and littermates for years to come without getting too tight. |
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Reuben
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« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2015, 08:29:27 pm » |
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That's what I'm to get to Reuben... slowly but surely. Unfortunately, most of the dogs in this ped are dead now. But there's a lot of related dogs out there down from the Tweety/Winchester cross that I could go back to if needed... from grandpups, great grandpups to great great grandpups. I try to keep track of as many as I can.
that is great...breed to the best of them...sounds like you have options... |
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
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Semmes
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« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2015, 08:30:53 pm » |
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Just curious...what's the catahoula tweety dog's ped?
Don't have to be too particular...just a round about..
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7Mhunter
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« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2015, 08:32:44 pm » |
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So i see jase is either a full or half brother to my lizzie gyp. Nothing is too tight lol i got an accident pup here that was full brother sister cross with their grandma out of a full brother sister cross. Smart as a whip with lots of hunt!
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Mike
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« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2015, 08:54:28 pm » |
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Just curious...what's the catahoula tweety dog's ped?
Don't have to be too particular...just a round about..
Semmes, I don't have it... but I believe it was the D'arbonnes(not sure on spelling) line of dogs from north central Louisiana. |
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Mike
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« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2015, 09:01:30 pm » |
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So i see jase is either a full or half brother to my lizzie gyp. Nothing is too tight lol i got an accident pup here that was full brother sister cross with their grandma out of a full brother sister cross. Smart as a whip with lots of hunt!
Jase and Lizzie are littermates. |
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Semmes
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« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2015, 09:42:14 pm » |
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Thanks mike...was just wondering cause Scott and I did a cat breeding recently that we got out fingers crossed that it took, but I just wondered if it was related blood. Scott filled me in as best he knew as well..
Thanks again
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« Reply #16 on: November 26, 2015, 08:00:27 am » |
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Happy Thanksgiving Everyone.
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Great topic and nice lookin dogs Mike. I am not a breeder and do not claim to be. I am a student of breeding and genetics so that maybe one day I can be a successful breeder.
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If I am interpreting the ped correctly, there are 4 litters behind it. Winchester/Tweety, Pancho/Brandy, Obama/Tweety, and Hunter/Lucy. I am sure you observed each of the 4 litters and made mental notes of the crosses that possessed the traits you like.
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It seems that you could tighten the line quicker by breeding Jase back to Lucy or a Lucy littermate/full sister. Not sure if this is an option or not however it would take the line toward the Tweety genes. Probably not your intention.
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It appears that you appreciated the Pancho/Brandy cross and are looking to find a balance between the Pancho and Tweety traits. By not breeding too tight, too quickly, you should achieve a sustainable line as well. Am I interpreting your goal correctly? Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
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Shotgun66
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« Reply #17 on: November 26, 2015, 08:27:10 am » |
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Happy Thanksgiving Everyone.
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Great topic and nice lookin dogs Mike. I am not a breeder and do not claim to be. I am a student of breeding and genetics so that maybe one day I can be a successful breeder.
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If I am interpreting the ped correctly, there are 4 litters behind it. Winchester/Tweety, Pancho/Brandy, Obama/Tweety, and Hunter/Lucy. I am sure you observed each of the 4 litters and made mental notes of the crosses that possessed the traits you like.
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It seems that you could tighten the line quicker by breeding Jase back to Lucy or a Lucy littermate/full sister. Not sure if this is an option or not however it would take the line toward the Tweety genes. Probably not your intention.
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It appears that you appreciated the Pancho/Brandy cross and are looking to find a balance between the Pancho and Tweety traits. By not breeding too tight, too quickly, you should achieve a sustainable line as well. Am I interpreting your goal correctly? Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
- One more question.....Did Pancho have any linebreeding in his pedigree? |
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Leon Keys
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Mike
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« Reply #18 on: November 26, 2015, 10:38:34 am » |
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Shotgun, I don't know anything about the Pancho dog or his background... but I do like the dogs that cross produced. If could recreate my old Hunter dog and have a yard full of dogs like him... I'd be set.
Unfortunately, I've lost several key dogs I had plans for over the past two years. But there is a Hunter daughter from a previous litter I bred out there... I'm curious about crossing Jase over her for a 1/2 brother 1/2 sister cross. Plus, a Jase littermate has pups on the ground right now also that I'll be getting a pup from. I'm thinking any of these future pups I could take back to Lucy and still maintain a lot of the original Tweety/Winchester blood?
I kick myself in the ass everyday for not making the Hunter x Tweety cross before she died.
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7Mhunter
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« Reply #19 on: November 26, 2015, 10:43:38 am » |
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So i see jase is either a full or half brother to my lizzie gyp. Nothing is too tight lol i got an accident pup here that was full brother sister cross with their grandma out of a full brother sister cross. Smart as a whip with lots of hunt!
Jase and Lizzie are littermates. I thought that was him. Looked like the dog you had with you that day in corrigan. |
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