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« Reply #20 on: November 26, 2015, 01:15:39 pm » |
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Shotgun, I don't know anything about the Pancho dog or his background... but I do like the dogs that cross produced. If could recreate my old Hunter dog and have a yard full of dogs like him... I'd be set.
Unfortunately, I've lost several key dogs I had plans for over the past two years. But there is a Hunter daughter from a previous litter I bred out there... I'm curious about crossing Jase over her for a 1/2 brother 1/2 sister cross. Plus, a Jase littermate has pups on the ground right now also that I'll be getting a pup from. I'm thinking any of these future pups I could take back to Lucy and still maintain a lot of the original Tweety/Winchester blood?
I kick myself in the ass everyday for not making the Hunter x Tweety cross before she died.
I really like 1/2 brother sister breedings, really good way to double up on the sire or dams genes. I don't breed hog dogs, but I have been in bulldogs for quite some time and I am a student of that breed, and a lot of good families have been held up through such breedings. I know a really well known breeder that has bred his own line of dogs for quite some time now through Father x daughter, mother x son, Uncle x Niece, Aunt x nephew, and cousin x cousin breedings, basically doing it this way he doesn't really have to outcross. Only thing he won't do is brother x sister though he has told me his is not against it, and would do it in the right circumstance. He says he isn't doing it now cause he don't need to. You can also really measure your family of dogs traits in a bro x sis breeding. |
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Mike
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« Reply #21 on: November 26, 2015, 01:30:10 pm » |
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Rednose, I've always heard the 1/2 brother sister crosses seemed to produce better dogs. We also have a breeding planned to the Lucy gyp in the above ped to her 1/2 brother. They're both out of the Obama dog and his dam is out of some old local blood.
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« Reply #22 on: November 26, 2015, 04:54:35 pm » |
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Mr. Mike, I just made this cross earlier this year and didn't seem to have any bad results so far. Actually, all these pups seem to be turning on a little sooner than I had thought they would. I can't take the credit for it, Mr. Larry had put in all the time. He has gotten them pretty dang tight.  I am trying to make this cross now, so hopefully it turns out ok. Hopefully I will be able to let you know in about 4 months!!  |
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« Reply #23 on: November 26, 2015, 05:13:20 pm » |
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For those interested my good friend downloaded a pedigree software on my laptop, that's really useful at keeping up with your yard and gives you inbreeding coefficients and such. I'll check with him and see what the name was he got it offline several years ago.
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« Reply #24 on: November 26, 2015, 09:00:22 pm » |
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You know a whole lot more about that the I do. I would be the one asking you
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« Reply #25 on: November 26, 2015, 09:42:16 pm » |
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Sanman, have you ever had any health problems, skin conditions, skittishness or anything show up in the dogs bred that tight?
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« Reply #26 on: November 26, 2015, 10:23:08 pm » |
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Mike...I had a dog named Buck that was the father, grandfather and great great grand father to some of my pups and they were all pretty awesome dogs by a year old...no issues...lots of hunt, nose, bottom and gritt...this dog was scatter bred on the sires side but his sire was a once in a lifetime dog...his dam was very tight bred kemmer out of the Gold Nugget line...the main outcross I bred to him was a Texas Smoke bred mnt cur female that was 3/4 Texas Smoke bred...her pups out of Buck were pretty good hog dogs...no major issues...had one pup that seemed to have hip dysplasia that had to be put down...was very good looking with lots of good bay to him...had another that didn't have an under coat and was over shot but was an awesome hog dog...
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
A hunting dog is born not made...
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« Reply #27 on: November 27, 2015, 06:18:49 am » |
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Mr. Mike I have 5 at the house right now and none of them have any major health issues. I didn't have any issues with the litter I had in April. All of them have grown normally, and are big nice looking pups. Having said that, the one thing I am having trouble with right now, is trying to catch the gyp I am trying to breed when she is in heat. I don't know if hers is very light, or just not there. I finally just brought the male over and am kenneling them together until we really kick back off in the spring.
Skittish is kind of a tough one. I had a litter sister to the gyp I am trying to breed now. She was given away as a puppy cause she was too skittish. She went through a couple people and when I got her at around 18 months, you damn near couldn't put a hand on her. I don't know whether to contribute that to the breeding or lack of handling. Hard to say. I took her and started hunting her with a string on her so I could catch her and eventually she got to where she would at least lay down. I will say that none of these dogs seem to be the real touchy feely type. They tolerate you, but really don't want to be buddies with you.
The litter I am trying to breed now will tell the tale, I believe. Good bit tighter than the last one. I made these crosses to try and get back to some of Mr. Larry's older stuff. The problem is going to be where I can go with the pups I am shooting for with this breeding. I don't know if they can take another full Parker cross.
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« Reply #28 on: November 27, 2015, 08:19:33 am » |
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Shotgun, I don't know anything about the Pancho dog or his background... but I do like the dogs that cross produced. If could recreate my old Hunter dog and have a yard full of dogs like him... I'd be set.
Unfortunately, I've lost several key dogs I had plans for over the past two years. But there is a Hunter daughter from a previous litter I bred out there... I'm curious about crossing Jase over her for a 1/2 brother 1/2 sister cross. Plus, a Jase littermate has pups on the ground right now also that I'll be getting a pup from. I'm thinking any of these future pups I could take back to Lucy and still maintain a lot of the original Tweety/Winchester blood?
I kick myself in the ass everyday for not making the Hunter x Tweety cross before she died.
- Appreciate the response Mike. It's nice to see guys like yourself who have been successful in the game for a while remain curious and open minded. You guys catch em pretty regular so whatever you are doing seems to be working. Happy Huntin to ya. |
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« Reply #29 on: December 03, 2015, 04:38:21 pm » |
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Sanman, I seen that happen in an old line of dogs my family had for years, some of the real tight bred gyps wouldn't cycle at all.
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sanman
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« Reply #30 on: December 04, 2015, 11:41:48 am » |
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Don't tell me that, lol. I had this gyps litter sister that was turning into an exceptional dog. She got killed. There is only this gyp and another one left from that cross. Parents are dead also. Really wanting to get some pups out of het
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« Reply #31 on: December 05, 2015, 10:28:10 am » |
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Sanman have you tried giving her a shot to make her cycle, I know some people it's worked for and some it hasn't, can't tell you first hand any experiences I've had using it personally but it's worth the try.
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sanman
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« Reply #32 on: December 05, 2015, 11:13:42 am » |
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Goose, I did give her an 8 way to rule that out. I haven't tried anything else. My uncle is a vet, so I will have to give him a call and see what he has to say about it.
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« Reply #34 on: December 05, 2015, 07:50:15 pm » |
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I knew the shot you were talking about Goose, but didn't know the name, thanks. There was another thread awhile back talking about gyps coming in and a couple people talked about gyps that never had a lepto shot not coming in. They are cheap, and I didn't raise this gyp, so I did it to rule that out.
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« Reply #35 on: December 06, 2015, 04:56:59 pm » |
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Have any of yall ever used that shot?
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