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« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2017, 08:00:59 pm »

So first off, sorry for reviving an old post! But, I didn't want to start a new topic when there are so many on puppy training and this one has some great information! Anyways, my question is this... when doing mock hunts does it make a big difference if you have a pig at the end or if you just use a cut out of hide? I did two mock hunts with my puppies when they were about 3-1/2 months old (same day) and I had a potbelly piglet in a dog kennel at the end. Since then I've made a pen at my house and I currently have a 30lb little boar/shoat in it. Since it is in the back of my fenced in yard, every time I let the puppies out of the kennel they get to go bay as much as they want through the pen. I know that they shouldn't get to bay all the time or they might get burn out and I'm currently in the process of making half of the pen covered so that the pig is only in the fence section when I WANT a dog to see him. As far as doing a mock hunt, the best place is my parents land which is 15 minutes away. But where I am at it is illegal to transport a live hog. I believe you can get a permit as long as you don't cross county lines but I'll have to look in to that more. So that poses the question, is it worth going through the trouble to have a caged/tied pig at the end of the trail? Or will a piece of hide suffice? I really want to focus on doing some drags and mock hunts so that the puppies don't get used to the pig just being there.
Good question and you're sure to get a lot of mixed answers. My thought on it being with just a hide they're still having to use their nose to run the track which is great but on the same token their not getting the idea of running the track to the end and getting bayed.... also with the pot belly pig, in my experience even dogs that were just getting started will not bay a tame hog once they know a wild one well. I don't believe the smell is the same. I've put 2 started hounds in a bay pen with 150 lb feral boar and a 250lb tame boar hog and they wouldn't even look at the tame hog. not sure where the dogs are but there's a picture from that day. We might have been trying to get that 2nd wild hog out before putting dogs in the pen. But there it is to add some merit to my opinion


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« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2017, 08:48:09 pm »

Thanks Slim! Guess I'll just try and use the hide for the trail but have the hog either in a dog kennel or tied up at the end of the track. How often do you recommend doing mock hunts? Once a week, once every other week, etc.?


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« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2017, 09:34:21 pm »

Can't really give an opinion on that as sometimes I start pups on them and sometime all they know is to bay and when their legs are under them they go to the woods with a big dog. Mock hunts are a great tool but after a few times I would try to keep from dumping the pups right where you started the drag/track. As that will lead to them believing each time they hit the ground there will be a track to run right under their noses. Now if your looking to train some track style dogs where you drive around find a good track or some fresh rooting or wallow and dump them out that isn't so bad but if your wanting them to really get out and look for the track to start your better off getting them familiar with starting and finishing the track then dumping them further away each time so they will learn they have to go find that track to run and then run it to find the hog. A million ways to skin a cat and I'm not dog trainer extrordanaire or a veteran of this game. Just know what's worked for me the past 2.5 years and base my opinions off that.


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« Reply #23 on: February 16, 2017, 06:10:00 am »

That's a good idea as far as dropping them a little ways off the track so they don't get used to always having the track at their feet. I was trying to get in on a hunt that I could bring them and tag along for, but haven't heard anything back on that yet. If I can't go then I'll do a few mock hunts this weekend and try some of that advice. I plan on walk hunting them in the long run (walk them on a lead until I find some semi fresh sign and turn them out on it)


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« Reply #24 on: February 17, 2017, 11:01:16 am »

I have made more dogs than I have ruined by taking them hunting when they are young.  If the dogs have what they need, exposure is the key.  The dogs that I really love to own don't need training....they just need a ride to the woods.
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« Reply #25 on: February 17, 2017, 11:20:38 am »

Thanks for the advice Heat, I'm actually trying to take them on a hunt with some experienced dogs next weekend


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« Reply #26 on: February 17, 2017, 11:31:59 am »

I have made more dogs than I have ruined by taking them hunting when they are young.  If the dogs have what they need, exposure is the key.  The dogs that I really love to own don't need training....they just need a ride to the woods.

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« Reply #27 on: February 18, 2017, 08:13:33 pm »

So first off, sorry for reviving an old post! But, I didn't want to start a new topic when there are so many on puppy training and this one has some great information! Anyways, my question is this... when doing mock hunts does it make a big difference if you have a pig at the end or if you just use a cut out of hide? I did two mock hunts with my puppies when they were about 3-1/2 months old (same day) and I had a potbelly piglet in a dog kennel at the end. Since then I've made a pen at my house and I currently have a 30lb little boar/shoat in it. Since it is in the back of my fenced in yard, every time I let the puppies out of the kennel they get to go bay as much as they want through the pen. I know that they shouldn't get to bay all the time or they might get burn out and I'm currently in the process of making half of the pen covered so that the pig is only in the fence section when I WANT a dog to see him. As far as doing a mock hunt, the best place is my parents land which is 15 minutes away. But where I am at it is illegal to transport a live hog. I believe you can get a permit as long as you don't cross county lines but I'll have to look in to that more. So that poses the question, is it worth going through the trouble to have a caged/tied pig at the end of the trail? Or will a piece of hide suffice? I really want to focus on doing some drags and mock hunts so that the puppies don't get used to the pig just being there.
This is the way I do it this dog is to young to take to woods or mock hunt yet. So I just get pig legs with hoofs on. Drag it around with my pup in the kennel then let him out and walk to the first part of the scent let him work it out from therehttps://youtu.be/1gUhpgo6aDw

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« Reply #28 on: February 18, 2017, 08:21:39 pm »

So first off, sorry for reviving an old post! But, I didn't want to start a new topic when there are so many on puppy training and this one has some great information! Anyways, my question is this... when doing mock hunts does it make a big difference if you have a pig at the end or if you just use a cut out of hide? I did two mock hunts with my puppies when they were about 3-1/2 months old (same day) and I had a potbelly piglet in a dog kennel at the end. Since then I've made a pen at my house and I currently have a 30lb little boar/shoat in it. Since it is in the back of my fenced in yard, every time I let the puppies out of the kennel they get to go bay as much as they want through the pen. I know that they shouldn't get to bay all the time or they might get burn out and I'm currently in the process of making half of the pen covered so that the pig is only in the fence section when I WANT a dog to see him. As far as doing a mock hunt, the best place is my parents land which is 15 minutes away. But where I am at it is illegal to transport a live hog. I believe you can get a permit as long as you don't cross county lines but I'll have to look in to that more. So that poses the question, is it worth going through the trouble to have a caged/tied pig at the end of the trail? Or will a piece of hide suffice? I really want to focus on doing some drags and mock hunts so that the puppies don't get used to the pig just being there.
This is the way I do it this dog is to young to take to woods or mock hunt yet. So I just get pig legs with hoofs on. Drag it around with my pup in the kennel then let him out and walk to the first part of the scent let him work it out from therehttps://youtu.be/1gUhpgo6aDw

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