stag x bulldog

[Georgia-Hawgs]

Anybody have this type of dog? If so I'd sure like to see some pictures.  Even stag x anything.  I know a fella that has a nice stag I was real impressed with. Just wandering if any of yall folks have any.

[Slim9797]

you said stag anything. Stag x cur. Picking him up today. 9 months old supposedly catching


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[Georgia-Hawgs]

Nice looking dog slim. I like the sounds of a stag x bulldog . If a man could get one to meet in the middle out of 2 good dogs and make a 40mph bulldog I'd buy 2 of em. Lol

[Slim9797]

I just sold my bulldog cause of an incident I wasn't gonna have him around to see happen twice... So I got to thinking my buddy has  good bulldog we use. He's got nice leg, good head. Good lean bulldog. But I really am not a fan of catch dogs with no leg so I though, maybe I go a different route. Find me a catch dog that's a little more off the wall than a pit or bulldog. So I immediately thought stag x bulldog. Well I came across this pup for next to nothing. Usually wouldn't buy Facebook dogs but at $50 it won't hurt my wallet too bad...  if he don't work out, BANG.


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[Georgia-Hawgs]

What happened with the bulldog? 

[UNDERDOG]

Search "Cgash" user on here....he had a couple from my bud that he's used for years.

[Georgia-Hawgs]

Will do

[UNDERDOG]

cgasch  i spelled it wrong.

[Georgia-Hawgs]

Ok...because I typed cgash in the search bar and it just brought me back to this topic.  Thanks.

[Black Streak]

A stag is commonly not hard enough in there pure form to swing from big boars without assistance from a second dog.  Eventhough I classify them as a catch dog because of the way their brain is wired, a big boar is often times to much for them.    Some will catch and hold big boars 1 out but odds of getting a stag like this are not in a person's favor.     They are usually not stand in their own guts hard and wont take the punishment the way bulldogs willingly do, BUT they are very good a avoiding punishment.        Because a bulldog is so hard, it often times passes enough of this hardness to bay type breeds when crossed with them.       It is very unlikely that a stag will pass on enough hardness when crossed to a bay type breed to yeild many catch dogs capable of most guys standerds in a catch dog.       If you was to cross a stag to say a Cambells cur or Florida cur or whatever the seemingly straight catch cur lines are, then maybe you could expect enough hardness among the pups to get a decent amount of catch dogs.
      The hole reason why people cross bull blood into stags is to get the stag harder.  Trying to keep speed but hardness.     To go the opposite way and cross a stag to a bay breed would be more conducive to getting a fast bay breaker.   The stags brain is wired to catch and kill, not bay and keep bunched the way bay breeds are normally bred for.        This cross would most likely not have the mind to read how much pressure to apply to an animal to keep it bayed and most likely wouldn't  care to keep it bayed, more likely to bite and spin the pig looking for any opening to get a bite but not hard enough to hold resulting in a bay buster.           However, run a few of these bay x stag dogs and they would catch together but ham and elbows would be their most likely targets.
        To cross a stag and bulldog, you would need to find good parent stock because some stags lack stamina do to taking after the Grey blood in them and also watch out for flat feet.   Sometimes people put so much emphasis on speed in the stags that they will cross to a hot blood grey which do not have to have the robust feet a working cold blood does.     "You don't have a dog if you don't have a foot"
     Bulls run the gauntlet too in stamina and many many other areas.   Don't cross to a game pit because the game coupled with the prey drive of the stag could be bad news to other dogs running near or past the dog.    Not because of the game in the pit but more of what the prey drive in the stag would trigger in combination of the two.               A stag x bulldog would be very interesting but breeding the wrong way with these dogs could be bad for stamina and aggressive towards other dogs when hunting.
        If I was crossing these two breeds, I would use a nice well balanced average pit x a good coyote stag that has good stamina that fights the head of a coyote.
       Hope you enjoyed my opinion and breakdown of the cross.  

[Slim9797]

What happened with the bulldog? 

fight in the box with a dog I'm not allowed to get rid of. I ended up getting bit. Probably my fault but after I got them apart and pulled the other dog out he was still growling so I let him go.


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[Georgia-Hawgs]

I heard that. My bullldog is real easy to get along with , but I wouldn't put another dog in the box with him just in case. To much head knockin goin on in a tight space with 2 dogs. And if we was goin down the road, hell I might not even know they was goin at it. I got some hard head dog's but that ole bulldog could whoop any of em. He might just kill one if I didn't know a fight was happening in a dog box. And I bet it'd be hard for a dog to surrender in a box to. They are so close to each other they'd just feel like the other one was still challenging.  And black streak that was a good write up.

[Slim9797]

Black streak. You have knowledge of the stag, I know that. Say this dog im getting pans out just like you say. Catchy but not enough grit to catch effectively on big pigs. rough curs dogs that will try anything but are smart enough to back up, think he could come in and get hold long enough for the rest to pile on and be effective in that way. I talked this dog over with a buddy but neither of us have any stag knowledge, though we both agreed it will be interesting to see how he pans out. Can't say I'd ever let a dog as lean as the one in question try to catch a pig of good size by himself but I figured if he does catch well enough. He wouldn't be a bad seal the deal type dog backing up a bulldog. Like I said above when the idea first came I thought stag x bull but at $50 I don't mind trying this dog. Could have a place for him. Won't know till I get him and try. In your opinion is there any use for a dog bred like this if he turns out just like you say?


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[Georgia-Hawgs]

Slim I just read my reply to you.  I didn't mean to sound like I was telling you what you should or shouldn't be doing.

[Slim9797]

I heard that. My bullldog is real easy to get along with , but I wouldn't put another dog in the box with him just in case. To much head knockin goin on in a tight space with 2 dogs. And if we was goin down the road, hell I might not even know they was goin at it. I got some hard head dog's but that ole bulldog could whoop any of em. He might just kill one if I didn't know a fight was happening in a dog box. And I bet it'd be hard for a dog to surrender in a box to. They are so close to each other they'd just feel like the other one was still challenging.  And black streak that was a good write up.

yes sir. Same with this one. Big baby until dogs bay. Never showed any dog aggression. I had dogs running a hog and had been for a few hours. Swung by the yard to grab 2 rougher dogs to try and end the race and in my haste I dumbly threw my catchy cur dog in with him and went to rolling. Got out the drive way and heard them going at it. I'll take the blame but after getting bit someone had to go and like said. That cur isn't allowed to leave


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[Slim9797]

Slim I just read my reply to you.  I didn't mean to sound like I was telling you what you should or shouldn't be doing.

no no no, it's cool bud. Everyone I've told has said the same. Not a bright idea on my end and I'll take the blame. Learn from it and move on.


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[Black Streak]

Black streak. You have knowledge of the stag, I know that. Say this dog im getting pans out just like you say. Catchy but not enough grit to catch effectively on big pigs. rough curs dogs that will try anything but are smart enough to back up, think he could come in and get hold long enough for the rest to pile on and be effective in that way. I talked this dog over with a buddy but neither of us have any stag knowledge, though we both agreed it will be interesting to see how he pans out. Can't say I'd ever let a dog as lean as the one in question try to catch a pig of good size by himself but I figured if he does catch well enough. He wouldn't be a bad seal the deal type dog backing up a bulldog. Like I said above when the idea first came I thought stag x bull but at $50 I don't mind trying this dog. Could have a place for him. Won't know till I get him and try. In your opinion is there any use for a dog bred like this if he turns out just like you say?


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       If the dog turns out like I suspect then yes, he could be of use but if a fast catch dog is what you were wanting then should have done yourself a favor and hold out for a sure thing instead of something that's an iffy at best and limited in its use.   It's easy to have patience while a dog develops when you know what it's gonna develop into.    If I was in your shoes I would get sure things. 
     The dog should be usable in certain situations and a hindrance in others.    When this dog meets a pig it can't handle in the brush, he will ruin the potential catch.  The dog will need to keep the pig at bay but he wont.  He will try the pig and the pig will leave him and every other dog behind as it escapes through the briar thicket.      However, the role should be reversed in more open areas such as big virgin mesquite thickets or in the wide open and anything in between.    He will have the speed to overtake the pig with athority in more open areas and can in force his will on the pig to an extent.  Eventhough he can't physically handle the pig, he can and should make the hog turn and fight.  The pig will trot and turn trot and turn but if he tries to out run the dog, the dog will set him on his butt or spin him.  Your other dogs will be there also and as this dog is making the pig fight and spin, your dogs could cause one another to get hurt by being in one another's way while dodging the pigs lunges towards them.  A pig on the fight can cover a lot of ground very quickly as it spins to attack what's behind it.  This motion is where the pigs full force, power, and momentum will all come together.   This is what gets a lot of dogs trying to set a pig down on its butt.   This motion of the pig is my biggest problem.  My dogs have to learn this and look for it and avoid it because it's the perfect defense  against a catch dog about to overtake the pig.   Often times in thicker areas they will bite the pig to spin it and BAM!  In the open areas they run up and grab at the ear which is much safer.       Your dog won't grab an ear of a pig once it realizes it can't handle it until the catch dog catches.
      Bad thing about rcd's is the strike dogs beat them to the pig and if it runs on them, the pig has a huge head start and  will head for a better place to fend off the dogs which is bad.      This dog may be a very great asset to your catch dog especially if it's concentric circle only goes as far forward as the elbow.    You would be utterly amazed how effective a dog is at emobalizing a big boar that's caught on the elbow or the ham when the main catch dog is on the ear.   They will usually turn a big rank boar into a screaming little piglet
     You can run a pack of these dogs like they seem to in Hawaii  and get along really well using them as strike dogs and catch dogs with all the dogs working together as a pack.
       If you would like, you can pm me and leave you number and I'll get in touch with you and we can descuse dogs with an imphasis on rcd types and how to hunt them and what makes or does not make a good rcd.

[Georgia-Hawgs]

Black streak did you get my p.m.?

[liefalwepon]

I have a stag pit dogo cross very nice dog. He's young and trashy still. He would try catching a cow if I let him. FAST


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Is that from Bernard?


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[Reuben]

I agree with what Black streak said...the only thing that can throw a cur to all the theories is if the cur/stag pup does not live up to it heritage...The good news is that he is ready to train and he only cost 50 dollars...if he has the right blend of the right traits he should make a good stop dog in not so thick terrains...

if I were to breed running catch dogs I would entertain the idea of leggy lean and solid pit with stag of the run to catch and kill coyotes...for the same reasons black streak put out there...