Catch dog stopped catching?

[Lildrifter22@gmail.com]

Anyone have a catch dog that stopped catching or only catch so often. Mine will go to bay hard but want catch. But when he does catch he catches hard and holds.

[boarboy]

Get rid of him. That's dog is gonna get you in a bind. Don't mean to sound harsh or be an ass but I'm not gonna feed one that catches when it wants to

[alphabravo]

 Does he have any broken teeth? Has he taken a hard hit from a hog? I mean really had his bell rung?

[Lildrifter22@gmail.com]

He has one chipped tooth never got hit hard by a hog. He was a bad boy big hogs have been caught with him. I just don't wanna give up on him yet. He is my first catch dog that's why I'm looking for help.

[alphabravo]

He has one chipped tooth never got hit hard by a hog. He was a bad boy big hogs have been caught with him. I just don't wanna give up on him yet. He is my first catch dog that's why I'm looking for help.

 If the tothe is only chipped, I'm not sure. My dog broke an eyetooth completely out on a hog. she will still try to catch. if she tries to catch on to broke tooth side, her grip is a little weak but besides that, she does it.

[Lildrifter22@gmail.com]

Like I say he will catch but not all the time and just about every hog I catch with him we have to kill it cause he crushes the snout. I don't know maybe time to just make him a pet.

[Shotgun wg]

So he is a nose dog and only catches at times. No offense but as said above I would be looking for a replacement. A dog I could send with him I could count on atleast.


Shotgun
Arkansas

[Lildrifter22@gmail.com]

I understand and thanks for the help.

[Black Streak]

Interesting.  A dog that prefers to catch on the snout and will catch big pigs but won't catch consistently.   
     One simple test I would do if I was you since your partial to the dog .    Work with the dog by himself without the presence of any other dogs.  Where the dog can't hear or see other dogs.   Introduce the dog to a decent pig, say 200 pounds.    If the dog won't straight up catch, you most likely don't have a catch dog, just a real rough gritty dog.   If you would like to explore that more, on a different session, put two rougher type bay dogs in a bay pen with the same pig.  Let them bay him and let the dog in question  listen for a minute and watch and then allow it in the pen.  Same outcome or different now?       
            Exceptions:
    Is the dog is young, it could be that the dog is in sensory overload at times and will grow out of that.       
    Are the times the dog won't catch, only the times when multiple hogs are bayed up at once?
    If any of these two are yes, the bay pen won't tell you much beyond what the answere to the two questions did.   The bay pen will be a good place to work with the dog though, just remove the bay dogs and start with smaller pigs and work up in size.      If the answere to both questions are both no, it could very well be something the dog is reading and picking up from you given the circumstances you previously mentioned.    I'm not gonna go into explaining this, most people won't comprehend it and it would be pretty lengthy to explain.  If both those questions are no, just much much easier on you to get a different catch dog, one that's full AB or pit.  Hard to go wrong with either of those, though there will always be an exemption here and there.
 

[hoghunter71409]

A catch dog has one job to do and he/she has to do it when called upon.  If he don't catch or die trying, he aint a catch dog and I wouldn't call him a catch dog ever again.  Last catch dog I had before my current would bite with the nubs he had- didn't matter to him what happened last time or how many teeth he had or didn't have- his mind was on one thing and that was to catch.  Catch dogs must have that mentality or they are not catch dogs.  And I think the best catch dogs have no memory.

Kind of like a closer or a DH in baseball.  When the coach calls to do what they are paid to do, they better do it or they wont last long.

[labaconchaser]

My thoughts exactly 71409 well put

[Black Streak]

To say a catch dog has only one job is to sell it way way short or misunderstand them.         If all you want is a dog that you lead up to a pig and turn it loose to catch what's just a few yards beyond it and catch or die trying and that's as far as your understanding essentially goes with catch dogs or that's your only criteria, great.  However catch dogs are the most versatile hog dog there is.    They can do it all.    If a lead in is as far as you want to take a catch dogs job, and you dont have much patentience in developing a dog, then a pit is definitely a go to dog for this type of person .   However even they are capable of much more than just that.       
   Though it's not the culture of most here in the US, catch dogs are performing every role every dog in your kennel combined does.    (Exception - I don't know of any that willfully grind out a cold track the way some hounds do)        The realm of catch dogs can get pretty complicated and complex because of the wide range of roles some are expected to perform by their owners.
    Some of the combined jobs a catch dog is to perform on each hunt is to strike it's own pig be it off the truck, casting, or hunting out on the ground while your driving, and also hunt equally well by sight and by sound.   These dogs are to have very good stamina and heat tolorance.  Their holding style must be clean.  When the hunter takes possession of the pig, the catch dog is to role out and hunt up another.  The objective is to catch the biggest pig available running past smaller pigs to catch a bigger one or running past a dog that's already caught in order to grab ones own.     They need to be very fast when performing to this degree.    Afterwards they take in the role as loyal companion and family / pack member.  Sometimes as alarm bells when unannounced  quests show up or other critters show up that may prey upon the chickens.  They are stock broke and wildlife broke except for the intended species such as wild pig.  Should be able to hunt on an exotic high fence game ranch without showing interest in any other animal other than pig.  They are expected to be able to do all this and more without the help of another dog.
    This is what the line of dogs I run are bred to do and this is what I expect from all but 1 of my dogs.   To get this degree of catch dog you don't need the line of dogs I keep, you can pretty well get most of this with most breeds of catch dogs used but when wanting the complete package, it's better to go to a line of these dogs rather than hope for a pit that can combine the stamina, heat tolorance, speed, and clean hiding style with what you can bring out in the dog such as everything else.    To get this level of catch dog, you can not just be content with the one job and one job only outlook.     
    It amazes me that people will put this amount of effort, training, patience and research into their bay dogs that can only take the hunt half way and must be completed by the catch dog, when the catch dogs are very capable of performing the entire steps from beginning to end, by themselves.         I think people for different reasons don't see catch dogs as being able to do these things as I've described.  They either don't have the patience and understanding of them or are intimidated with the thought of working to this degree with a catch dog they see as dumb or stubborn or unteachable, they don't understand how to hunt without bay dogs, they think a catch dog is not capable of hunting and striking pigs as well as their lead strike dog, they want catch dogs catching now and not tomorrow etc.
     Some guys just partial to listening to dogs bark and running pigs.
  Either way, what I'm trying to say is catch dogs can be more than just catch dogs if you don't limit yourself and them by saying they only have the one job.   Some guys may be wanting more out of their catch dog than just the one thing.   For these guys, they will need a better understand of what it takes to develop a catch dog to do these things rather than the guys that see and use their catch dogs as just lead in catch dogs.

[Lildrifter22@gmail.com]

He is a full blooded pit about 3 yrs old. The first time he didn't catch the bay dogs had a small group of nice hogs bayed up. We got in the into the bay and it was like he was lost didn't know witch way to go or witch one to catch I guess you can say.

[hoghunter71409]

Blackstreak- that was a lot of typing for nothing- I stopped reading after the first sentence.  Yes, catch dogs catch.  That is their job.  Anything short of catching every time is a cull or it is not a catch dog.

Drifter- I hope your thread doesn't get hi-jacked but I have a feeling is will happen.  Take it from me or Shotgun.  If he aint catching everytime, get one that will.  If not, you may just have a 1/2 catch dog and he aint worth feeding if you can depend on him.  When I let mine go, I can follow him right to the bay because I am 100 % certain, if he makes it to the bay before the hogs break, he going to catch.  That is why I feed him.

[Black Streak]

3 yr old pit that isn't catching good is a cull

[Lildrifter22@gmail.com]

I would like to think everyone for there input and help. There s a few things I think I'm gonna try before he turns into a yard dog. (My daughter and I love this dog) I had some folks tell me to hunt him with another catch dog since my work schedule don't alow me to hunt all the time and see if that brings him back to how he was before he started this junk once again thank you all for your time.

[justincorbell]

Something had too have happened to that dog at some point that boogered him up. Never heard of a catchdog that just stopped catching with a good reason like stated above, either broken teeth, internal injury, wrecked at some point etc etc. Hate to hear that it happened. If it were me and i really liked the dog i think i would let a good hunting dog friendly vet take a look and explain to them what is going on.

[Black Streak]

Blackstreak- that was a lot of typing for nothing- I stopped reading after the first sentence.  Yes, catch dogs catch.  That is their job.  Anything short of catching every time is a cull or it is not a catch dog.

Drifter- I hope your thread doesn't get hi-jacked but I have a feeling is will happen.  Take it from me or Shotgun.  If he aint catching everytime, get one that will.  If not, you may just have a 1/2 catch dog and he aint worth feeding if you can depend on him.  When I let mine go, I can follow him right to the bay because I am 100 % certain, if he makes it to the bay before the hogs break, he going to catch.  That is why I feed him.

     That post wasn't ment for you, it was ment for people of a little different character than you who also want more out of their dogs then what you settle for.      The man asked a question and you answered it without knowing how old the dog was, what kind it was, and what if any was the common denominator when the dog didn't catch such as was he just not catching at a rally.        Any of these 3 things could answere why the dog wouldn't catch now and then and the dog could be gotten over.   You being so quick to call the dog a cull without asking even one of these things is before hand then turning around and belittling me for sharing info about the nature of catch dogs that most overlook is childish and insecure.  I was trying to help the man find the potential problem and work with him to fix it if it was one of these.      You sir just give the easy answere to a man that was looking for help and said he was kinda attached to his dog.    I wrote that deal about catch dogs to share with others that catch dogs can be much more than you see them as.   Looking at catch dogs the way you do, it's obvious why you couldn't help the man trouble shoot his problem till the possible avenues had been exhausted.    

[Slim9797]

For what it's worth, I've had a few lengthy conversations with black streak, and though our introduction was somewhat tense, I believe the man knows a lot about a catch dog and I do agree that there are dogs that catch and then there are catchdogs. Catchdogs aren't a Dime a dozen, dogs that catch are a lot more common. I've hunted behind some real deal catchdogs, and I know all too well first hand where a dog that catches will get you and the kind of situations it can put you in, Blackstreak has got to hear about a few of these situations. The kind that make you want to walk out of a bay. Anyway, as for someone who currently does not have access to a tried and true bulldog due to me selling mine like a jack butt. I would say do all you can to try to peg down what your dogs deal is, and if all else fails, find you a solid CATCH DOG


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[Slim9797]

Something had too have happened to that dog at some point that boogered him up. Never heard of a catchdog that just stopped catching with a good reason like stated above, either broken teeth, internal injury, wrecked at some point etc etc. Hate to hear that it happened. If it were me and i really liked the dog i think i would let a good hunting dog friendly vet take a look and explain to them what is going on.

this is my buddies dog. For a long time he caught every pig we bayed solo, and was pretty good I thought, on track to make a nice catch dog. Then one evening his vest hung up on the way in to a big boar, that boar hit him and cut every muscle in his shoulder in half all the way to the bone. At a year and 3 months that dog got WRECKED! after that I bought a seasoned tried and true catchdog and they always caught together once he healed up. Or I just used the older dog. I sold that older dog a month or so ago like a Dumb arse and it didn't take long to realize my buddies dog just wasn't gonna make the cut. Couldn't tell you how many bays I've sent him too in the last month that he hasn't got hooked and I've gone home empty handed. He misses, and gets thrown, and he just ain't gonna stomp his guys into the dirt to hold a pig for me. Needless to say the catchdog I sold, I'm buying back here very very soon


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