Short range and rough

[parker49]

I couldn't judge a catchdog in an open field ....we  hunt ruff briar patches and  row planted pines with head  high briars and myrtle bushes mixed ....god ain't made a dog that can out run a 200 pound boar that don't want to be out run through it .....damn  my old jerry dog could suck one up cross and open field seen him do it several times cross rice fields ....hey man I'm sure  you have  some nice  dogs ....   you the one  crowed about how I needed different dogs to catch with and  you have  no idea where or  what kind  of country I hunt ...so how would me watching you turn a hog loose in a field tell  me anything about what it would do here  in this  mess ......bring  your  dog here we'll try and  bay one  and  you send  your  dog ...thats hog hunt'n for me anyway and no use  for me  to look at  anything else ...

[Black Streak]

I couldn't judge a catchdog in an open field ....we  hunt ruff briar patches and  row planted pines with head  high briars and myrtle bushes mixed ....god ain't made a dog that can out run a 200 pound boar that don't want to be out run through it .....damn  my old jerry dog could suck one up cross and open field seen him do it several times cross rice fields ....hey man I'm sure  you have  some nice  dogs ....   you the one  crowed about how I needed different dogs to catch with and  you have  no idea where or  what kind  of country I hunt ...so how would me watching you turn a hog loose in a field tell  me anything about what it would do here  in this  mess ......bring  your  dog here we'll try and  bay one  and  you send  your  dog ...thats hog hunt'n for me anyway and no use  for me  to look at  anything else ...

    If your cd can't  make up the distance and catch a pig before it gets out of the feild how do you expect it to chase one down in the brush where the pig has the advantage?     If your bay dog can't hold a pig at bay in a feild while you walk up to it with your lead in cd, how you expect your bay dog to hold one at bay in the brush where the pig can excape the dog.    If you have dogs that can do this, then at least they have the physical capabilities to begin with.       Common is the thought process of fast dogs are no good in the brush cause it just slows them down.   Well that's true, it does slow them down but it slowed the slow dogs down to that were at a disadvantage to begin with.       

     Pigs that are started with a bay dog can take you and the cd anywhere it wants.     To hunt pigs in your country I would simply just use finder holders.    A dog that bays that finds a pig in the brush barks 3 times to see the pigs vanish and hear them running through crap they can't get through.    A finder holder finds this same pig and instead of introducing itself to the pig with a bark, attaches itself to the pig.    This pig didn't run on the bay dog before it started barking 9 times out of 10, I promis!    Also pigs that escape through the brush are normally found close to it, not in the stuff they used to escape the dog.    So what if they are and the catch dog misses and the pig escapes, same thing would have happened with a barking dog.       You bark at high pressured pigs close to cover and it's bye bye pig.  You catch the pig close to cover and your tying it close to cover.   Simple really.   My dogs catch them in thick stuff.   My dogs also get beat in thick stuff but no more than my old baydogs did.     Once in a while I could catch a pig in the open where it was started.  Now I catch 90 percent of my pigs in the open where they are started.  Oh I can hunt the thick stuff and do fine but I don't need to look for pigs there unless it's in the heat of the day.   
     

[parker49]

I looked at your history  on here and other posts just to see if this is  just something you feel strongly about or are you controversial  and seemed to be the latter ......and that's ok .....I perty much hunt  like 90% of the other hog hunters  do ......and  i'll let you have  this ..... oh  here's a picture  of one  of  my old dogs  I bred this line  with and he could run ...especially in an open field and thought he needed to kill every hog he got after .... hey man good  luck  to ya ....

[Black Streak]

I looked at your history  on here and other posts just to see if this is  just something you feel strongly about or are you controversial  and seemed to be the latter ......and that's ok .....I perty much hunt  like 90% of the other hog hunters  do ......and  i'll let you have  this ..... oh  here's a picture  of one  of  my old dogs  I bred this line  with and he could run ...especially in an open field and thought he needed to kill every hog he got after .... hey man good  luck  to ya ....

So you tell the author of this thread rougher dogs don't keep you from chasing pigs off the property a d you use slow bulldogs to make your point?    And you call me controversial.     Then you tell me about a dog you once had that was so rough and run so fast he sucked them up and killed them yet you tell the author rougher don't stop them but site me an example of what you think could work for what I'm describing.     Your telling one person one thing and telling me you been there and done that and showing me a pic of a dog to prove your point that dogs like that do exist.   And I'm the one controversial.   
       I find it rather difficult to take you at your word on that dog because you bend any which way the wind blows to try to make your point and in doing so you disprove others you have made in the same thread about the same style of dog.        Then try to bow out with grace lol.   Fascinating!

[justincorbell]

nothin like a good ol ethd pecker measurin contest to get yer monday started 

[ArtHenrey]

And leave it to black streak to be the one fluffin up everybody's damn hair to! It blows me away, at some of the people that have been deleted on here with there realistic knowledge. And this ass is still on here!
So why can't this fella run some other strait catchin dogs other than what your bringing to the table. If it strait catch and of a different breed, no matter if it's pure, or crossed, probably with a better nose, why wouldn't it work?? When it comes to catching the hog, and thats it. Catching the damn hog. Why does it have to be what your hunting to get this perticular job done? Just this one job. Because that's what he wants, to get the job done. Before he gets out of pocket. There are plenty of ways other than what you got bubba. It ain't barking period. All its doing is shaking the woods around and then smack! Why wouldn't anything strait catch not work???
If you can convince me, I'll go home and pull necks.
Because I've caught a number 2 ton of hogs in my life with loose dogs. And slow ass Bulldogs of what your calling slowin 25 acre tracks and up to 100 acre tracks. And up to 1000's of acre tracks with them same lame dogs. And I WILL SHOW YOU! Let me know? And believe me, they have bad days and don't catch everything.
And I can promise you, it'll take more than a phone call and a picture to convince me.
I don't have nothing against your style of hunting, so don't for one second even let that get between your ears. All I am saying is I ain't buying your ticket, especially in some of this country around my places. It's tough hunting. Period

[parker49]

re read what I posted ...the person was saying he had a bad  run in with landowners  meaning the dogs  must have run on someone elses property ...all I was saying was  there is quite a few people that started using there garmin trainer feature and  just  tone them and they'll quit and come back off property you may not need to be  on cause  that's all some  folks have  to hunt ....just simply a  suggestion .....  you come here or most places in east texas and  you'll get your rear  out run  like the rest of us  does ..... just go watch the video's on youtube I see your style dogs running hogs for a half mile across wide open fields before they catchup ....and  nobody is gonna  show all the times they don't catch  nothing ...... anyway I'd like to see em come to this  country and  hunt in short britches  ......

[ArtHenrey]

I said convince me, but I'm nobody. No need to even think of how.
I know there are more ways to do this job other than what you got.
I've actually let dogs go, that did just what yours do. Mite not of been as fast, but did the same damn thing. Catching on site. They weren't bred nothing like what you got neither buddy.

[hyan]

And leave it to black streak to be the one fluffin up everybody's damn hair to! It blows me away, at some of the people that have been deleted on here with there realistic knowledge. And this ass is still on here!
So why can't this fella run some other strait catchin dogs other than what your bringing to the table. If it strait catch and of a different breed, no matter if it's pure, or crossed, probably with a better nose, why wouldn't it work?? When it comes to catching the hog, and thats it. Catching the damn hog. Why does it have to be what your hunting to get this perticular job done? Just this one job. Because that's what he wants, to get the job done. Before he gets out of pocket. There are plenty of ways other than what you got bubba. It ain't barking period. All its doing is shaking the woods around and then smack! Why wouldn't anything strait catch not work???
If you can convince me, I'll go home and pull necks.
Because I've caught a number 2 ton of hogs in my life with loose dogs. And slow ass Bulldogs of what your calling slowin 25 acre tracks and up to 100 acre tracks. And up to 1000's of acre tracks with them same lame dogs. And I WILL SHOW YOU! Let me know? And believe me, they have bad days and don't catch everything.
And I can promise you, it'll take more than a phone call and a picture to convince me.
I don't have nothing against your style of hunting, so don't for one second even let that get between your ears. All I am saying is I ain't buying your ticket, especially in some of this country around my places. It's tough hunting. Period

I think he's saying a pit or ambd can run pigs down the way his dogs can and I think that's true why cus a bulldog is short and not very fast and also they are not built for running or having bottom I ran the same type of dogs he did because I ran rcds and bulldogs were to slow to suck up a runner and if they had to hold a pig for a long period of time they would heat stroke we walk hunt in hawaii you can't lead a bull dog around for 10 miles on foot in a vest you can find other dogs to hold pigs or run down pigs but the type I have had luck with in thick up and down mountains in hawaii is wippet/grayhound/cat/shepherd we tried to put a bull dog In there but had problems with the bottom if I see your bulldog or any type of strait catch dog like it do the work that mines do I'll eat my words and say dam fine job but I have not seen it happen that's why when  a pig brakes u try to get your bull dog back so it don't stroke our or go and get its self or other dogs killed

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[ArtHenrey]

Hyan, man I'm not dogging that style of dogs. Not even a little bit. I'm sure that type of dog works very well in those terrains.
But back to the original post, small tracks of land. Find and catch. You won't be miles away in his situation. All I'm saying is there more ways to get this exact job complete. That is it.

[ArtHenrey]

When I first started hunting some 13- so years ago. I didn't even own a phone much less a camera. I was a youngster. I use to dog, with a man that all he owned were walker/pit cross dogs. You wanna talk about a dog leggy, damn good nose and would latch onto anything not even a fart noise made. They would catch and hold long as needed. We hunted 30 acres up to 3500 acres of some nasty country. On horses, wheelers or foot. On foot mostly. Them dogs did it all with ease. I owned 2 of them dogs myself. I've seen true finder holder type dogs first hand that weren't his breed of dog. I realized it wasn't my style of Nothing against it neither. There are different dogs to accomplish this task

[Black Streak]

And leave it to black streak to be the one fluffin up everybody's damn hair to! It blows me away, at some of the people that have been deleted on here with there realistic knowledge. And this ass is still on here!
So why can't this fella run some other strait catchin dogs other than what your bringing to the table. If it strait catch and of a different breed, no matter if it's pure, or crossed, probably with a better nose, why wouldn't it work?? When it comes to catching the hog, and thats it. Catching the damn hog. Why does it have to be what your hunting to get this perticular job done? Just this one job. Because that's what he wants, to get the job done. Before he gets out of pocket. There are plenty of ways other than what you got bubba. It ain't barking period. All its doing is shaking the woods around and then smack! Why wouldn't anything strait catch not work???
If you can convince me, I'll go home and pull necks.
Because I've caught a number 2 ton of hogs in my life with loose dogs. And slow ass Bulldogs of what your calling slowin 25 acre tracks and up to 100 acre tracks. And up to 1000's of acre tracks with them same lame dogs. And I WILL SHOW YOU! Let me know? And believe me, they have bad days and don't catch everything.
And I can promise you, it'll take more than a phone call and a picture to convince me.
I don't have nothing against your style of hunting, so don't for one second even let that get between your ears. All I am saying is I ain't buying your ticket, especially in some of this country around my places. It's tough hunting. Period

I'm the one that is encouraging the guy to hunt with a catch dog Art.  Parker is the one that's saying rougher don't make the race shorter cause he said his bulldogs have chased pigs for miles or more.   Really don't take much intelligence to see why a bulldog would have to chase a running pig for a mile or more. So before Mr Parker could finish his victory lap,  I pointed out that it wasn't the hardness of the bulldogs that enabled the pig to run so far but there lack of speed to catch up to it.   Your so blinded by hate just at the thought of my name you start making stuff up and can't read correctly

[Judge peel]

I like short range rough dogs. It don't really matter the DNA of the dog if it gets the job done. I like curs and cats and I like them rough. There is no set dog or style that ends every hog race. Every one has there own opinion on this and I have mine. I would rather the dogs stop the hog right off but sometimes it don't go down that way regardless of what dogs you have. No matter what dogs u have or style all shoes don't fit


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[Black Streak]

I said convince me, but I'm nobody. No need to even think of how.
I know there are more ways to do this job other than what you got.
I've actually let dogs go, that did just what yours do. Mite not of been as fast, but did the same damn thing. Catching on site. They weren't bred nothing like what you got neither buddy.

Art  you are so full of yourself.    You had a dog like mine but wasn't bred like mine and wasn't as fast.  What?  Then you got rude of it lol no wonder.  Sounds like regular catch dog.  They catch in site.      Yall Crack me up

[Black Streak]

You big talkers want to get together for a demo.  You bring a dog that you think can run a pig down in a feild and catch it.  I'll supply the pigs.  You bring $100 deposited for the pig you draw.  If your dog catches and you take possession  of the pig, get your deposited back.  You don't keep pig, pigs mine.  If your pigs gets away you have to confess to the forum that you talk smack you can't back up and admire your dog can't stop a runner in the open which means it dang sure can't in the thick stuff.   220 acre feild.  I supply the can am maverick for you to go  get to the caught hog and take posesdion.  Pig gets a realistic half way to the brush head star.  Your dog holds the pig 30 seconds before you can take off on my mavrick.      Come on big talkers let's see who talks crap and who don't.   Bet I don't have one person mad enough or serious enough to take me up

[Mike]

How many people hunt in a field???

How about you bring your dogs and let's drop them in a 5,000 to 10,000 pine plantation that's so thick you can't stick your finger into it and see how they do???

I know exactly how they'll do...

[parker49]

 ....everybody gets out run even if you had a vest on  Secretariat at times  he would get out run ....you damn sure don't catch every pig your dogs get on streak .......all  I said was even ruffer  dogs may get off the property you trying to stay on so you just may try the garmin trainer  like some people do in tight places .... that's all that's  it no bodies  is better  or  anything  just that  is all I said .... I have  no use for a dog you have  to turn loose on a pig running cross a field .....  

[l.h.cracker]

I hunt rough curs and have a few smaller tracts that I hunt for people. I have success with the Garmin alpha as well.You can catch plenty of hogs like this and keep your dogs safe.My dogs have decent bottom and when I can let them go I do the technology of the alpha really allows you to hunt Any size property within reason like a couple hundred acres.

[ArtHenrey]

I'm full of myself??? I don't run my damn head on here telling people that the only way to end a situation is to hunt like me, or use dogs like me and bash and point out flaws of there damn dogs! Period!
You're a 100% right mine, I never touch a dang filed! I doubt my plugs even know what a field looks like! Now your demo consist of runnin a hog down? Come one dude earlier you were running your damn head about catchin on site! I know how to read! Now it's about running one down in a open field! like Oconee once said! Your dogs won't work where hogs are thin and in thick country! I promise you!!!!! Yah long story short. I had dogs that were bred to track and catch! They weren't the long haired legged dogs you run. What about that is hard to understand? They did the same number 2, weren't your damn breed of dog. But did the same damn thing! Same as some of JP's dogs, same as the cracker fellas dogs. I've had em, not no more! Any more clarification?

[Black Streak]

How many people hunt in a field???

How about you bring your dogs and let's drop them in a 5,000 to 10,000 pine plantation that's so thick you can't stick your finger into it and see how they do???

I know exactly how they'll do...

Lots of people are going to feilds to strike pigs on.  They just don't  catch there.    My point to all this is to prove I have better dogs for catching pigs in feilds than most, it's to show people why they have no chance at stopping a runners race in the brush if there dogs can't do it in the open.     
    Why then are dogs catching pigs in the brush when they couldn't shut them down before they got there?    This is my point I shifted to .     If you can't answer this question or at least realize it, then how can you a dress people with questions about running pigs and how to negotiate them.            I went back to the very basics of catching pigs in a crop feild to try to get people to see what  is or isn't taking place in the thick stuff.  I'm doing my best to simplify  this but still not many are  grasping it.