Hunting Alone

[jsh]

I want to make something clear, I don't hate hogs, but I do value my dog's lives over theirs. 

I don't have worry about killing them all around here, nor do I want to. I've let plenty go to see another day.

[Judge peel]

Most spots I hunt the ranchers and farmers want them dead unless I tie it to sale so I do what they ask. But I won't start shooting em where I can run my dogs no matter what hog is there. Every hog can be caught with dogs if the opportunity spears. I know it's been said before but you have to match your dogs to be successful


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[Slim9797]

haul my uncle brought in yesterday in an hour with just 2 curs and his .35 Remington. Depredation is the name of the game and time is of the essence in his line of work. Too many other things to do to spend 4 hours in the woods trying to get bulldog to hogs.


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[E barnes]

I gotcha Judge, I guess I'm just trying to get at the fact that it doesn't matter how you do it, a dead pig is the only kind of good pig there is. Slim, kill him any way you see fit cause in the end if you're happy with the kill that's all that matters.

If a dead pigs the only good pig there is then you're the enemy to the great sport of hog dogging.When all the hogs are gone what are we going to do?

Enemy to the sport? LH I'm not sure where you're from but if you are worried about ever running out of hogs move to my part of Texas. I'm gonna try to give you an insight into my views since you gave us yours about only killing what you can eat, which is a very respectable way to do things. My first responsibility is to my livestock. Pigs and predators are a nuisance to me. Pigs will tear up crops that feed livestock, root up holes for calves to step in and break their legs, tear up roads, etc. I both want and need to control and limit their populations. I don't want to exterminate them entirely and never in my lifetime could I. They breed too quickly and take over habitats. That being said, I love hunting and I love dogs so hunting with dogs is an awesome combination of both things. If I can use dogs to help control the pig numbers and help me do a job I already need to do while making it even more enjoyable (watching dogs work, hearing bays, etc.) that is even better. But I will never cut a pig and turn it back. A cut pig can still do just as much damage as it could before. I'm gonna kill pigs whether I have to bay them and catch them, bay and shoot, just shoot them, get in a helicopter and shoot them, trap and shoot them or sell them, whatever because it has to be done. I'm always gonna have pigs cause even though I kill more each year than I did the year before, more keep showing up in better numbers and bigger, meaner pigs. I'm all for getting meat if it is reasonable to do so but I wont lose sleep over killing a pig and leaving it. Of course all that is just my opinion and you don't have to agree because it doesn't make a difference to me.

Are you sure you are not and Arkansas Game warden!! Lol fella you don't love hunting you love killing!! Better get those Rose colored glasses off or you will spend a lot of time sitting on a bucket trying to figure out what happened because you won't listen to what Ole timers have seen before.

[Slim9797]

Y'all ought to see some video of Colby Lovell's dogs... you watch his dogs work, and tell me cause he don't use a bulldog, they ain't real hog dogs... that guys dogs will still drive sounders out of the woods.


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[Judge peel]

That I would like to see. Slim if your uncle has such good dogs why do you search out other guys to get dogs. I would be in my uncles back pocket and copy what he is doing if I was you.


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[The Old Man]

I bet Mr. Lovell's dogs aren't snatchin, grabbing, and catchin, I bet they are where they should be backed up and barkin. I also bet he don't hurry to them when they bay.

[parker49]

it kinda depends on where you come from .....some of us come from a line of old hog hunter's ( hog raiser's )we ain't gonna kill hogs like that unless it's  for meat ...... no skin off me long as  you are far away from me .......certain places  you do that and  you'd have flats , gut popped cattle ,    times are different now  but I remember the old days ...... and I remember the old timers and there stories about range wars .. I remember   a tell  about my daddy one time he went and bayed some hogs for a  man  that had a claim north of here .. the other's that hogs in that area  come to the bay cross the creek  they had words and one of them said i'll kill your dogs  daddy said wait just  a minute  he jumped the creek and his cousin had  to jump the creek and stop daddy from killin him was about to run his head into a tree ...some of the worse was kin people crossing range lines ..these  youngster's now days all cocky  hahahaha  them old timers would have  run them clean out the woods  ..  hey the hatfields and mc coys  started over hogs ...... hahahaaha my daddy a few years ago does he look like he's put  up with any bull .....

[parker49]

[Mr. Oinker]

I gotcha Judge, I guess I'm just trying to get at the fact that it doesn't matter how you do it, a dead pig is the only kind of good pig there is. Slim, kill him any way you see fit cause in the end if you're happy with the kill that's all that matters.

If a dead pigs the only good pig there is then you're the enemy to the great sport of hog dogging.When all the hogs are gone what are we going to do?

Enemy to the sport? LH I'm not sure where you're from but if you are worried about ever running out of hogs move to my part of Texas. I'm gonna try to give you an insight into my views since you gave us yours about only killing what you can eat, which is a very respectable way to do things. My first responsibility is to my livestock. Pigs and predators are a nuisance to me. Pigs will tear up crops that feed livestock, root up holes for calves to step in and break their legs, tear up roads, etc. I both want and need to control and limit their populations. I don't want to exterminate them entirely and never in my lifetime could I. They breed too quickly and take over habitats. That being said, I love hunting and I love dogs so hunting with dogs is an awesome combination of both things. If I can use dogs to help control the pig numbers and help me do a job I already need to do while making it even more enjoyable (watching dogs work, hearing bays, etc.) that is even better. But I will never cut a pig and turn it back. A cut pig can still do just as much damage as it could before. I'm gonna kill pigs whether I have to bay them and catch them, bay and shoot, just shoot them, get in a helicopter and shoot them, trap and shoot them or sell them, whatever because it has to be done. I'm always gonna have pigs cause even though I kill more each year than I did the year before, more keep showing up in better numbers and bigger, meaner pigs. I'm all for getting meat if it is reasonable to do so but I wont lose sleep over killing a pig and leaving it. Of course all that is just my opinion and you don't have to agree because it doesn't make a difference to me.

Are you sure you are not and Arkansas Game warden!! Lol fella you don't love hunting you love killing!! Better get those Rose colored glasses off or you will spend a lot of time sitting on a bucket trying to figure out what happened because you won't listen to what Ole timers have seen before.

That's where you're wrong. I love hunting. Spot and stalking deer with my open sight 30-30. Calling predators and turkey. I also love the rush you get walking into a good bay and seeing dogs work a track and finally put it together but I don't have the luxury to only hunt one way. I have to try to limit pig numbers on my personal land any way I can. Which includes several different tactics. Any time we go run dogs on someone else's place who doesn't have livestock or crops we don't even bring guns. My grandpa took over his family ranch at 13 years old when his daddy died. He taught me to kill pigs cause it's necessary. He used to have sheep/cow dogs that would bay em up if one was around while gathering the stock and he'd shoot them off his horse with his brush gun. He was an old man with working dogs who taught me what I know. I'd say that's listening to what Ole timers have seen before.

[LoftinCattleCo]

My grandpa and his brother about to butcher some barrs.. I come from a family of hog hunters not hog catchers, I still carry my grandpas mark if I don't tag them but dang sure don't carry em out unless I'm eating them or giving them to someone to eat.. I hunt alone some, especially when I'm trying to start some young dogs. I might have 2 dogs bayed and use a bulldog or might have 6 dogs bayed and use a bulldog just depends on how I feel about the situation. I might slip in there watch em bay and call them out if I think I'll get in to big of a bind.. Like Parker said it's hell in mid summer in a cutover trying to put a tie rope on something 200 lbs whipping fire from ya.. Lots of folks are in the sport for the stick of a big boar hog and to me that wasn't what this was founded on. I like to see a dog work whether it's 1 putting on a 6/8 hr race or taking a track that most dogs wouldn't even make a pass at.

[parker49]

man I sure like that picture .... daddy use to watch and when the weather was good we'd kill and let em  hang   over night just where the dogs couldn't reach em .... man  a   lightered pine fire round an old barrel boil'n water and the  smell of an old scald barrel or tubb ... dammit  boy ..... I got a curly haired barr in the  pen now I may just scald him just to do it and make cracklins if I do i'll post some pictures .......I'm a hogman with all the land we own I don't have a cow but I got hogs  hahahahaha

[LoftinCattleCo]

My great grandad, Curtis Barneycastle, Arthur Straham, and Jude Hart grazed 787-105 & 770-146.. Harts and Strahams had most everything on the south end of that and Barneycastle and Loftin's had most of the north end... I was fortunate enough to be able to hear the stories but all of those days were long before my time. I've got a  passel of barrs floating around that part of the country and my dad still has quite a few cows but the days of free grazing were stripped from us.. had it not been I believe I'd be signing my own paychecks everyday lol.

[Slim9797]

Judge, My uncle doesn't have much left. Those 2 dogs are both over 10. I do however have a gyp from him right at 4 years old and she's damn nice so far. Most consistent dog I've gotten to see.  She gets bayed, you can take your time, she might bark 15-20 times a minute. If she's barking more than that the hogs fixing to break. She's. Ever seen a catch dog until my little screwed up solo hunt the other day. She's got some grit to her with a few scars to prove that. But she is smart when it comes to working hogs.


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[Slim9797]

from Colby lovells facebook


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[Slim9797]

From what my uncle said Those are real deal old blooded leopard curs Colby's  got.


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[parker49]

.my grandpa had wild horses and cattle and a few hundred head  of hogs on range ... I just  turned 50 I grew up right in the last of free range  here we had cattle running loose  ..when they would get out of the range I'd go bay em up start em headed home call my dogs and ride on ...they would all head  back  home ... we would feed em when they come in and they knew it ........ I used to ride for miles had a bulldog tied to the tail of my horse .. you could bay droves  of hogs  here.. I've  seen big  bunch's rally and come together  sound like thunder.....  you could be  at a bay and hear  something comin there would be a group coming to the bay and bunch up with the ones  bayed ....they don't much anymore hahaaha  bayed a group  cuple weeks ago and luckly broke em out and caught a good barr out the bunch

[HIGHWATER KENNELS]

Mr. Larry,, I wish my son would be able to see that more than what I have seen in the past 30 yrs of doin it myself.. Truth is,, it just don't happen around my parts anymore.. those old stories are slowly coming to a end and I don't believe we will ever get em back... I cant wait to get together with yall come Feb with that Wounded Warrior hunt and listen and learn things I don't even know now....lol... I will get with u closer to Mid Jan and we will finish planning it all out.. Yall take care..

[smittysmith]

Evidently there is a difference in how people where raised coming up. I was raised, If you kill it, you eat it. Don't make a damn what it is. Sounds like some fellas should find a different hobby other than hunting.

[Cmwhogger]

If you respect your game then you don't kill just to kill. When our freezers are full we give a lot of meat away. I couldn't live with myself to shoot something and leave it lay. If you're not prepared to do everything you can to retrieve the animal you set out for then don't bother them. It's one thing if a landowner needs pigs gone. Do what you have to do. I won't knock someone for doing things differently than me, but to shoot an animal and leave it lay is pretty daggum pathetic.