Breeding direction

[Slim9797]

After coming close to losing her this weekend I've decided to really start looking at breeding my kate gyp. She 6 years old and a sure enough hog dog in my opinion. Hunt wise she doesn't have the most range I've ever seen(some days she's a lot better than others) though she always stays busy but she has the colder nose to pick up an older track and stay hooked till there's a pig at the end. She's real stock minded for a hog dog, but I think I want more stock sense in what I get out of her. I'm getting away from the catch dog and really liking the bay and shoot side of things. So loose baying but plenty enough grit to slam the brakes works better Which is pretty much kate, she's got the scars to prove it. To me Kate's 2 biggest flaws are her inconsistency with range in no sign, and her bay, she doesn't hammer a hogs ass like I want. She works a hog good just wish she barked more than every other breath or 3. Lol so my question is should I look for a hog dog that would be good over her, or do y'all think finding a sure enough cow hunting cow dog to put over her would be the better idea to get what I'm looking for. I want stock minded dogs that go hunting, with enough sense to know when they can get rough, enough bark I can sneak into shooting range without having to stop a bunch waiting for them to start baying again, and enough nose to pull out on a track and go to one if there ain't any around. Maybe I'm all over the place with this post. I'll answer any questions if it will help y'all give me better advice. This will be my first planned breeding and I plan on keeping as many of the pups as I can, either pay a stud fee or work a pup deal. And place whatever is left with people who will hunt and cull responsibly that can appreciate the kind of dog they should make. I've got a few people lined up with males who want to see kate, me and Justin corbell are supposed to make a hunt soon, just figure there's a lot more knowledge here on breeding responsibly and for what you want so please any advice or food for thought is welcomed.


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[tmatt]

Hunt behind some males and determine which one hunts the way you want and has the things that your female is lacking and breed to him. It doesn't really matter if it is a cow dog, a hog dog or both. If possible breed her to something that has produced proven dogs that hunt the way you want them to hunt. It is always best to hunt behind the dog multiple times as an average dog can have a great day and a great dog can have an average day. The more you can hunt behind him the better you'll be able to determine whether he is what you are wanting to breed to. Jmo

[parker49]

  lots of dogs produce better than they are and lots of dogs that are real good not  produce real well ......  some pups will make dogs  hunted by just about anyone .... others  have  to be  in the right hands and be trained .....high turn outs means strong  born instincts ....... so advantage is finding a dog with high turnouts in  his offspring per litter .......... 

[Slim9797]

I can't say I understand the concept of lesser breeding better than their superior counterpart though I've seen that theory spoken on a lot. I know it ain't mixing paint but seems simpler to me that 2 dogs who get her done pretty well bred together should produce a couple pups that get it done to some degree at least. If they fail to make dogs due to failure on the trainers end well then that's not really grounds to make judgement on the reproduction as a whole. So as the saying goes I'd like to breed her once and see what happens. If the cross clicks well I might just have something to base a little family breeding around.  A male with proven off spring will jump right to the top of the list for sure. And a young male will be a little slower in my consideration as lots of health issues and quirks and such about a dog can't easily be noticed in under 2-3 years. So a 5-8 year old male with proven off spring is gonna be considered first before a 2.5 year old even if the 2.5 year old is a little better dog.


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[TheRednose]

There lots of ways you can go, and some people have already given you some great advice and info. One other idea you can think about is if you find any superstars male or female find out if you can find the dog who sired them and breed to him. Kinda goes back to what parker was saying about a proven producer. Then you can talk to them about how many other good dogs that dog did or did not sire. Just some thoughts for you. Good luck.

[Judge peel]

Here is what I go by and it has served me good. The two most important traits  that you are looking for take those and make sure that the dogs in ? Have one of those each and go down your list of importance. And if they are producers you might get lucky and get something close to what your looking for. Or reach deep down in your pocket and buy one that is like what your wanting and breed that to a deserving mate.


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[parker49]

well the best dog you will find is I'm sure better than his parents .....   hey if we all knew what we think we know about breeding dogs you could by top dogs all day for about 10 cents a piece ....

[Judge peel]

That ain't no joke


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[Mike]

Just find the dog you like, raise as many pups as you can and place the rest with people you trust that will give an honest opinion of them. No matter how good she is, doesn't mean she can produce good... same goes with the dog you breed her to. It's all trial and  error till you find the cross that works.

[Reuben]

there are many things to consider...you can get lucky and get one dog that is above average out of a long line of below average dogs...or you can have a below average dog out of a long line of above average dogs...which one do you think has a better than average chance of producing a higher percentage of better pups out of the right sire? my bet is on the below average gyp with a long line of above average dogs in her background...

if your gyp is scatterbred and you don't know much about her then breed her to an above average male that is tight bred from a long line of good dogs...once the pups are born keep the very best you can and do your best in testing and analyzing each one so you can at least pick what you perceive to be the best...take the best female and breed her to the best possible male out of the same line as her sire...if the female side is better bred then go to that side...in my opinion it is one of the simplest and easiest ways to breed to get into better dogs in a  generation or two...the biggest problem is finding the right dogs to get you moving in the right direction...

[justincorbell]

Just find the dog you like, raise as many pups as you can and place the rest with people you trust that will give an honest opinion of them. No matter how good she is, doesn't mean she can produce good... same goes with the dog you breed her to. It's all trial and  error till you find the cross that works.

Bingo, thats my thought as well.

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[Slim9797]

She's not scatter bred but she is an outcross to another loose bred line. All the males from her background I have access to are all over 10 except for 1 and he's way rougher than what I want to breed to. He's a hell of a dog, just not what I want, though it is the dog that kate grew up hunting with every time out. Justin weekend after next might be the weekend we have to get together your place or mine just have to see how kate is feeling.


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[justincorbell]

Just let me know. I'll tell ya now though, if you arent lookin for rough then theres no need lookin at my males. Still be happy to tote you huntin though.

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[TShelly]

Just let me know. I'll tell ya now though, if you arent lookin for rough then theres no need lookin at my males. Still be happy to tote you huntin though.

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[LoftinCattleCo]

  lots of dogs produce better than they are and lots of dogs that are real good not  produce real well ......  some pups will make dogs  hunted by just about anyone .... others  have  to be  in the right hands and be trained .....high turn outs means strong  born instincts ....... so advantage is finding a dog with high turnouts in  his offspring per litter .......... 

I wish there was a like button on this page!! Couldn't agree more Parker

[Slim9797]

Well Kate's been getting tore up ever chance she gets lately so I've gone ahead and made the decision and she ain't to far from getting put up to be bred. Found one hell of a male cur dog that's everything I'm looking for. Has the proven dogs behind him and pups out of him making hands. All business cow dog that will go on hogs butch and Kate. Hopefully gonna get some fine yeller curs to raise


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[Slim9797]

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[Judge peel]

Hopefully it works out for you buddy


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[Reuben]

Those are some nice looking dogs...

[Slim9797]

Reuben I like to think so too. I'm certain that male is put together about as good as any I've seen!  He is the real deal as well on some cows.


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